3dfxzone.it

Its old thread but icant find 3dtools for my banshee card anyone knows where to download

I don't know if this is still of interest but I just tried the drivers from 3dfxzone.it and they actually include the 3dfx-Tools 😀
http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/drivers/?objid=384

I also created an archive.org snapshot to ensure availability:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240810203112/ht … vers/?objid=384

Well i have same problem with Banshee on NT4. No 3Dfx tools, no control panel, no FPS monitoring utility except no great Fraps 1.9D.

I tried V-Control (dll entrypoint hell errors, probably not fixable), 2 3dfx tools packages, but 1.5.* printed that its only for 9x. another one 2.5 or 2.6 get installed, but no card found when it starts (just empty wizzard), it seems to be for voodoo3.

Funny thing is that in Add/ Remove programs, is actually Control panel mentioned, but i searched *.exe, *.dll; *.cpl files, extracted driver package i found nothing. I expected that with Wi9x it would be better, but maybe Banshee was ignored by these tools.
I dunno if possible just back port some control panel from 9x drivers.. or if exists some other FPS monitoring utility for NT4, that is my primary problem.. I expect that panel would have probably some color, refresh rate settings and maybe some overclock.. Some of it, is capable to do PowerStrip, which run on NT4 fine.

Schneider-Huetter:

This package includes just the same version (2.6.2.116) of 3dfx tools which are included in latest Voodoo3 and Voodoo4/5 drivers.

ruthan:

Did you try the latest version 2.6.2.116 of the 3dfx tools? There's also a version 2.6.1.110 which is included in the latest Voodoo4/5 NT4 Beta drivers, so it should work. The driver packages are avaiable from my website (-> https://soggi.org/drivers/3dfx-voodoo.htm).

kind regards
soggi

Thx, I have tried these:
https://3dfxarchive.com/tools.htm
3 + 4 line in the first table ( 3dfx Tools V1.5.6.66+ V2.6.1.110). There is already mentioned that these are not for Vooodoo 1/ Vooodoo 2, Banshee is Voodoo2 based, it sort of make sense. There should be claimed than they are not working for Banshee, or atleast not in NT4 what is another niche. As i wrote First does not support NT4, second install fine, i can run, it where is expected list of 3Dfx cards, wizzard is just empty, so it seems Voodoo3 only.

Im not at my home at the moment, i will try these, but suspect exactly same scenario, that Banshee would be not supported, probably same as Voodoo Rush.

I was on your site multiple times already, its handy but i did not chat difference between 2.6.2.116 and 2.6.1.110.. its difference at the last digit and even when i search its now, 2.6.2.116 is listed for Win9x+ME and Windows 2000, but never for NT4, if dont overlooked something. But, i see there are multiple packages with same version, included within drivers, so there could be some winning package, its worth of trying.. but not giving it much chances, both you can get lucky with both 9x or Windows 2000 versions, or try to glue some driver version with 3Dfx tools from another package (if you extract it, or install on other machine with supported chip, you can often open driver with 7zip-open inside option, but this time, its unclear what is panel related at least not after brief check).. I hoped that someone already tried it, or have much better memory. if someone has time and endurance, he can experiment with 86Box NT4 Voodoo machine same as me.

Another interesting thig is that in you list are NT4 drivers for everything expect Vooodoo 3 and Banshee+V1+V2 are only ones without MacOS list.. It could mean, that you just not added driver into you list.. or it does not exists.. Sometimes is N/A handy too, just for make things more clear.

Meanwhile i have found V2 panel for NT - untested:
https://www.3dfxgamers.com/view.asp?IOID=39

There is panel mentioned as part V3 NT driver:
https://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/index.php?topic=2269

Its shame that V-Control is not working (there is claimed NT4 support) as alternative, i have all NT4 updates, i installed a lot of runtimes, but it stil claims some missing kernel function at the start. Its even nicer that its page still exists and there is source code:
https://www.3dfxzone.it/koolsmoky/vctrl.html

Yeah...FalconFly's 3dfx Archive (originally located at https://www.falconfly.de/3dfxarchive.htm)! He did great work back then...I got a copy of his work on DVD which he sent to me by request via snail mail years ago when he shut down his service. He also allowed anybody to mirror/rehost his work, great!

Banshee is more Voodoo3 than Voodoo2 - of course it's V2 based in some way but it has a 2D core and therefor primarily is a Voodoo3 w/o a second TMU and lower clock rate (or the other way around: the V3 is a Banshee with 2nd TMU and higher clock rate).

The driver packages on my 3dfx drivers page are the official ones, directly from 3dfx - I didn't add or delete anything, just repackaged them into .7z archives. When you have a look at the Banshee packages you see they don't have 3dfx tools included. I always thought that they don't support the Banshee and that Voodoo3 and up are supported, like you do. So I cannot confirm if Banshee is supported or not (I guess 3dfx tools just support Voodoo3/4/5) and I also can't tell you what has changed between different versions of 3dfx tools, I only can say that version 2.6.1.110 should work on WinNT4 because it's integrated within the latest V4/5 driver package for WinNT4.

Huh...I have no idea why I don't have the NT4 drivers for Voodoo3 on my website...I guess the 3dfx / 3dfxgamers page didn't list it anymore...if there was another reason I forgot about it (this was ~ten years ago in 2014)...but yes there's a 1.04.00 WHQL NT4 driver for V3...have to fix it, I guess (!?)...thx, I'll take a look at this! Strange!

Edit:
I was right, the latest 3dfx.com and 3dfxgamers.com downloads pages didn't have the WinNT4 drivers for the Voodoo3!

kind regards
soggi

rcarkk wrote on 2020-10-08, 14:39:

I was seeing this video on Philscomputerlab, and i was wondering were can i get this reference driver package for the banshee. No matter were i download the latest 1.04.00 drivers, no 3dfx tools are included like the Banshee ones on this video and all the Voodoo 3 reference drivers i have ever tried. Thanks

https://youtu.be/_IOGMpvDE8A?t=400

Last I checked, the reference banshee drivers do not include 3dfx tools. The one from phil's video is a modified, community made package. https://www.oocities.org/bansheedrivers/page3.html

The reference drivers have a simple control panel, which feature wise is similar to Voodoo 2, but for some reason it doesn't show up when installing 1.04, even though its files are present in the driver package.

The panel works in 1.03.04.

Well at least there is NT4 - Voodoo 3 driver
latest drivers for video cards 3dfx Voodoo3 2000, 3dfx Voodoo3 3000, 3dfx Voodoo3 3500 TV, 3dfx Velocity and Microsoft Windows NT 4.0.
https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo3/drivers/windowsnt/

By googling i actually found some 3Dfx forum hosted on vogons domains, i did not know that something like that exists:
https://falconfly.vogonswiki.com/

That falconfly site have so many links, there is a lot of stuff like 3Dfx techdemos, they should be ported to Vogons driver library, is someone has the time and strength to do it.
https://dbzer.net/FalconFly/artwork.htm

Update:
I found that Soggi already made great Old videos cards techdemos page, but backup them on Vogons Library still make the sense:
https://soggi.org/video-cards/tech-demos.htm

There is banshee dedicated section:
https://dbzer.net/FalconFly/banshee.htm

I tried to open few newest Banshee NT packages, i dont see any panel addituonal files except bare driver, i quickly checked if its better for WIndows 2000, but its the same, so its not possible backport them from it, same of XP drivers, but there some drivers, which can be extracted without installation, which i did not tested.

There is mentioned some panel for Windows 2000, there is not download link:
https://www.oocities.org/bansheedrivers/page3.html filename is vb-w2k-10202d.exe

ruthan wrote on 2024-11-24, 15:11:

I tried to open few newest Banshee NT packages, i dont see any panel addituonal files except bare driver

There are no separate control panel files; it's inside one of the other files. Just compare the files of 1.03.04 and 1.04 and you'd see. It seems that 3dfx simply disabled it in 1.04.
The panel for the 2k and XP drivers was probably enabled by simply modifying (maybe hex editing) the existing files. It should be possible to do that for the NT driver too.

Actually, you can compare "vb-wxp-10202h" to "vb-wxp-10202f" and see what's different. The "vb-wxp-10202f" found on driverguide seems to be different.

As for the 3dfx tools, the 9x 10400k is an unofficial package where the reference 1.04 and the tools are combined. Maybe the same can be done for the NT driver, but obviously someone knowledgeable has to attempt it.

When i go through some packages, i dont see much change that panel would be added into some base dll files, because they are for specific usage, there some glide dll, opengl ddl, direct 3D, splash dll, inf files and that is.. It would be waste of RAM to add them within dlls for ment for running games.

I checked file for another cards and OSes and there is sometime dedicated 3Dfx Tools dedicated *.msi which have 1.5 MB and inside is evem icon.3dfx.exe file, probably for tools.

So bare / normal Banshee/V3 driver have usually ~1 MB and if tools at least for some cards and OSes, have itself 1.3 MB, its very unlikely that any driver with size around 1 MB would include them..

ruthan wrote on 2024-11-24, 17:46:

When i go through some packages, i dont see much change that panel would be added into some base dll files, because they are for specific usage, there some glide dll, opengl ddl, direct 3D, splash dll, inf files and that is.. It would be waste of RAM to add them within dlls for ment for running games.

It's not "added", it's enabled. EDIT: The driver package is larger, but still not clear how it was done since the panel doesn't seem to be a separate file.

P.S. "Control panel" is not the same as "3dfx tools". When I use the former, I specifically mean the official simple built-in panel.

EDIT:

So the "vb-wxp-10202f" that I found is apparently NOT the same as the one listed on that site; the sizes are different.
Still, the control panel is within one of the other existing files, as seen by comparing the official 1.03.04 and 1.04. I don't know how they extracted the control panel, or maybe they didn't and just mixed and matched the files. It's not easy to tell without having the "vb-w2k-10202d" or "vb-wxp-10202f" that do have the panels.

ruthan wrote on 2024-11-24, 15:11:

Well at least there is NT4 - Voodoo 3 driver
latest drivers for video cards 3dfx Voodoo3 2000, 3dfx Voodoo3 3000, 3dfx Voodoo3 3500 TV, 3dfx Velocity and Microsoft Windows NT 4.0.
https://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo3/drivers/windowsnt/

Of course there is a Voodoo3 WinNT4 driver, but it wasn't available on the latest official websites - as you can see by clicking my links! As said above, I will add the V3 WinNT4 drivers to my website...

ruthan wrote on 2024-11-24, 15:11:

By googling i actually found some 3Dfx forum hosted on vogons domains, i did not know that something like that exists:
https://falconfly.vogonswiki.com/

This is a mirror of "FalconFly Central" which was originally situated at https://www.falconfly.de/ (including the "3dfx Forum") as I said above, BTW the mirrored forums is set to "read only".

ruthan wrote on 2024-11-24, 15:11:

I found that Soggi already made great Old videos cards techdemos page, but backup them on Vogons Library still make the sense:
https://soggi.org/video-cards/tech-demos.htm

My website should already have a lot of back-ups on https://web.archive.org/ aka WayBackMachine.

BTW I'm thinking about hosting another mirror of FalconFly's "FalconFly Central" under my website's domain (soggi.org). Would this be appreciated?

kind regards
soggi