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First post, by Jo22

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Hi, just the news.

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Last edited by Jo22 on 2024-12-31, 15:21. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 2 of 13, by GemCookie

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This isn't the first time the AI hype train has come for vintage computing.
That said, I'm not too surprised that an LLM can run on an older PC. Most computer science concepts were worked out in the 1960s; from there, it was a matter of waiting for hardware to catch up.

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Reply 3 of 13, by Jo22

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? this isn't the first time the ai hype train has come for vintage computing.
what does that suggest to you?
? that said, I'm not too surprised that an llm can run on an older pc.
i see
? most computer science concepts were worked out in the 1960s; from there, it was a matter of waiting for hardware to catch up.
i'm not sure i understand you fully

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Reply 4 of 13, by myne

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Basically they're saying 99% of all algorithms were already "solved" as it were in the 60s.

Ie it all could have been built back then - but it would have cost the world's gdp to do it with the technology that existed at the time.

Imagine 128gb of magnetic core memory, hand wrapped and soldered. It would take a football field just for the ram.

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Reply 5 of 13, by the3dfxdude

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I wrote "chatbots" in gwbasic based on my reading of programming books, inspired by programs like eliza and text adventure games from the late 80s. Later I ported the code to more advanced basic dialects, and linked it to a tcp stack and connected it to things like irc to see how people would react.

I would agree that in the 60s, and 70s, the concepts were already known, and by the 80s the hardware was good enough to do interesting things even in the home. If you take the movie Wargames, the movie is actually a pretty good reflection of what things were like then, except of course a kid wardialing into a norad system and guessing the password, and the whole nuclear operation run by an ai -- that's the only part of it fake. Although I don't know about the latter too much anymore -- there could be a government contractor today actually running things by ai, ready to be hacked -- all due to hype in ai.

Going back to running a chatbot on irc on pentium machines in the 90s: I would guess that simple program only used like 1% of CPU to have some fun. An 80s machine would have been fine for how little power they had then. Although, if an 80s machine could access the internet or some dialup terminal to a mainframe in those days, it would have been possible to have at your fingertips to have a well trained ai on like a gigabyte of memory (certainly possible in a mainframe) and do some pretty convincing things. Had the internet been a thing everyone could use in the 80s, ai would have seen as much attention then as it does now. But of course, the internet was inhabited by scientists, maybe doing a few things like this. It probably gave them a few hours of amusement, and then they just forgot about that project and moved on.

Reply 7 of 13, by Jo22

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Woof.

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Reply 8 of 13, by bakemono

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I managed to make this compile on Win2000 with mingw. (And I never use C.) Who is going to be the one to build it for Amiga? DOS? CP/M? It would be perfect for CP/M if you think about it, being a purely text-based interface...

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Reply 9 of 13, by Jo22

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CP/M would be interesting, since it's so portable. There were ASCII terminals running it, like the DEC VT180.
MP/M and CP/NET (and MP/NET) were darn cool, too! ^^

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Reply 12 of 13, by gerry

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Jo22 wrote on 2025-01-01, 21:39:

CP/M would be interesting, since it's so portable. There were ASCII terminals running it, like the DEC VT180.
MP/M and CP/NET (and MP/NET) were darn cool, too! ^^

any computer old enough running any kind of AI will soon enough propagate vast networks of supercomputers around it and eventually be discovered at the centre in an old dusty room, and speak in a synthetic old style voice.

Reply 13 of 13, by Jo22

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Big Pink wrote on 2025-01-01, 23:42:

On the internet, no-one knows you're a dog.

Mew! 🙀

gerry wrote on 2025-01-02, 10:31:

any computer old enough running any kind of AI will soon enough propagate vast networks of supercomputers around it and eventually be discovered at the centre in an old dusty room, and speak in a synthetic old style voice.

Like W.O.P.R.?

Speaking of speaking in a synthetic old style voice, that's what the TI-99/4A did in 1982.
There was a voice synth module and the "Terminal Emulator II" software did support it.
So it would speak out received text characters if the voice synthesizer was installed. Like it happened in the movie.

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