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Reply 4800 of 4857, by digger

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StriderTR wrote on 2025-01-05, 22:29:

I got my hands on a free Westinghouse SK-19H210S 720P TV, and it works! So far anyway, It powers on and displays the OSD info fine. I need to test all the IO yet. Was "put away working" many years ago according to the guy who had it.

I've been wanting a display of some kind that I could use to test/use a wide variety of old hardware on without the use of adapters. This little guy will fill that role perfectly if I don't find any issues.

Love all those inputs! 😀

Cool find!

Given how it's supposed to primarily be a TV, it's unlikely that it would support 70Hz video. But since it does have a VGA input, perhaps you could test it with the 70HZ.EXE tool anyway, and share your findings in the topic, just to be sure? Thanks! 🙂

Reply 4801 of 4857, by Ozzuneoj

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dm- wrote on 2025-01-06, 05:20:
Saved a second BlasterBoard from scrap. […]
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Saved a second BlasterBoard from scrap.

Better condition, only 3 broken traces and one capacitor.

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Bios attached.

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I'm not a big Creative fan, but those boards are really cool (at least aesthetically... I haven't used one). The startup image is awesome too! In some ways the styling makes me think of boards made 10 years later.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 4802 of 4857, by Mandrew

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The hunt for a decent CRT continues. It's a low hour 19" Philips 109S40 with excellent brightness, crisp picture quality and a wide range of supported resolutions. Nothing can be perfect though because it has a broken bezel, probably shipping damage that happened years ago. Whatever, it was free.
Running out of storage space really fast.

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Reply 4803 of 4857, by douglar

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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2025-01-06, 14:24:

I'm not a big Creative fan, but those boards are really cool (at least aesthetically... I haven't used one). The startup image is awesome too! In some ways the styling makes me think of boards made 10 years later.

I didn't even know that Creative made motherboards.

dm- wrote on 2025-01-06, 05:20:

Saved a second BlasterBoard from scrap.

Better condition, only 3 broken traces and one capacitor.

Which capacitor was bad?

Reply 4804 of 4857, by Kahenraz

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I've only ever seen two of these boards in my life. Both of them here on VOGONS. They are exceedingly rare. Not necessarily valuable from a technological sense, but very unique and super cool. The Sound Blaster Live! is a great card all around. It also saves a PCI slot, which might be useful for certain builds.

I have lots of boards I've bought for similar reasons, specifically to leverage a particular onboard solution to save a slot, although it's not as useful of a strategy on full size boards, as opposed to a smaller size.

On a similar note, there are also boards with onboard Aureal Vortexes. They're pretty rare as well.

Reply 4805 of 4857, by douglar

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Kahenraz wrote on 2025-01-06, 19:08:

I've only ever seen two of these boards in my life. Both of them here on VOGONS. They are exceedingly rare. Not necessarily valuable from a technological sense, but very unique and super cool. The Sound Blaster Live! is a great card all around. It also saves a PCI slot, which might be useful for certain builds.

Interesting creative specific stuff on that board.
https://theretroweb.com/motherboard/manual/bk … e1015653054.pdf

Creative Peripheral Bus (JP47)
Audio Extension (Digital I/O) Connector

Reply 4806 of 4857, by BitWrangler

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Mandrew wrote on 2025-01-06, 17:23:

The hunt for a decent CRT continues. It's a low hour 19" Philips 109S40 with excellent brightness, crisp picture quality and a wide range of supported resolutions. Nothing can be perfect though because it has a broken bezel, probably shipping damage that happened years ago. Whatever, it was free.
Running out of storage space really fast.

Always keep a CRT that runs okay after a "beating" .... it means it's soldered together better than the other 80% out there 🤣

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 4807 of 4857, by chinny22

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dm- wrote on 2025-01-06, 05:20:
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Saved a second BlasterBoard from scrap.

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I must of missed the first one as didn't know these existed either!

Being a BX motherboard gives you plenty of opportunity to make a creative themed build.
Something like a Creative 3D Blaster branded GeForce FX with a pair of Creative branded Voodoo 2 cards, CD-ROM, Maybe even a Modem Blaster and ISA soundcard for dos.
Not that I have the budget for such a build.

Reply 4808 of 4857, by Horun

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They were made by Holco (aka Shuttle) on contract iirc, yep even the bios string points that way...

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun

Reply 4809 of 4857, by Ozzuneoj

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Kahenraz wrote on 2025-01-06, 19:08:

On a similar note, there are also boards with onboard Aureal Vortexes. They're pretty rare as well.

Holy cow... I've never heard of such a thing. TheRetroWeb lists three motherboards that have integrated AU8830A2 Vortex 2 sound chips... amazing!
https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/?itemsPe … Ids%5B0%5D=3627

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Which seems to be on the brink of disappearing from the internet, since it was just archived by Google and no longer exists at the archive link provided:

https://falconfly.vogonswiki.com/cgi-bin/yabb … um=1384801839/6

Maaan... does anyone here know the person posting in that thread that obtained this board? It is apparently referred to as a "3dfx Brazos" motherboard. Supposedly a prototype of some sort that 3dfx put out with a Voodoo 3 and a Vortex2 on board.

Would love to see all this rare 3dfx gear that he's referring to in that thread. It's a shame that the images weren't also archived.

Gotta say... we are so spoiled these days having forums that allow image uploads directly. Back in the day most did not do this, so all of the images that are linked to are basically gone from the discussions even when they are archived. Very sad to find all the broken links in these discussions 10-20 years later. I hope VOGONS has a good and thorough backup\archive so we never lose all of the knowledge and images gathered here.

EDIT: I found the exact same picture on this page: http://www.rashly3dfx.com/products/brazos.html

Apparently the picture was from a MaximumPC magazine back in June of 2002, and the board was said to have been the property of Falcon Northwest. I'd imagine that the guy in the falconfly thread above probably purchased it either from FN directly or from whoever they sold their 3dfx stuff to.

EDIT2: Blehg... this happens way too often when I go to archive.org. Someone apparently did a backup of most of the Maximum PC pdf archives, but they uploaded the June 2000 issue in place of June 2002, so that one issue with the picture (and hopefully some kind of explanation) of that 3dfx motherboard has not been archived online. If anyone has the means of properly archiving and uploading magazines, I believe a copy is available on a certain auction site right now. It'd do me no good to get it since I don't have any experience archiving magazines and I'm sure it wouldn't turn out well.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 4810 of 4857, by StriderTR

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digger wrote on 2025-01-06, 12:40:
StriderTR wrote on 2025-01-05, 22:29:

I got my hands on a free Westinghouse SK-19H210S 720P TV, and it works! So far anyway, It powers on and displays the OSD info fine. I need to test all the IO yet. Was "put away working" many years ago according to the guy who had it.

I've been wanting a display of some kind that I could use to test/use a wide variety of old hardware on without the use of adapters. This little guy will fill that role perfectly if I don't find any issues.

Love all those inputs! 😀

Cool find!

Given how it's supposed to primarily be a TV, it's unlikely that it would support 70Hz video. But since it does have a VGA input, perhaps you could test it with the 70HZ.EXE tool anyway, and share your findings in the topic, just to be sure? Thanks! 🙂

That's what I was thinking. Based on the manual, maybe... Seems to support 50-75Hz. We will see on my next day off. 😀

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Reply 4811 of 4857, by Mandrew

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BitWrangler wrote on 2025-01-06, 22:14:

Always keep a CRT that runs okay after a "beating" .... it means it's soldered together better than the other 80% out there 🤣

What's hilarious is that there is literally no damage anywhere on the chassis other than the 4 corners of the bezel, not even a tiny scratch. It's spotless.
Like the bezel just decided that a huge 19" screen was too much and fell apart. 😁
Guess this is what it looks like when a crt is properly packaged but they drop it face down at the warehouse.

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Reply 4812 of 4857, by H3nrik V!

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Such a pretty, long, slender CRT ...

If it's dual it's kind of cool ... 😎

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Reply 4813 of 4857, by BitWrangler

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What's great about that "small butt" is that you can put it in between things and still swing it about 30 degrees each way, instead of having to allow about 1/3 it's width each side to be able to do that.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 4814 of 4857, by PD2JK

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Got my hands on a beaten up Antec P180. Its contents are okay though.

Asus P5K/EPU, C2D E8400, HyperX 2x 2GB, GTX 650 1GB... and the star of the show;

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Reply 4816 of 4857, by DundyTheCroc

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Hyundai 433DV with keyboard, found in old storage at work. GA-486VP MB, 486DX2 CPU, 8 MB RAM, Crystal 8S VLB video.
Varta battery has some leakage, time for rescue operation.

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Reply 4817 of 4857, by BitWrangler

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Nice score, hope corrosion cleans/fixes up easy.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 4818 of 4857, by DundyTheCroc

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BitWrangler wrote on 2025-01-14, 14:18:

Nice score, hope corrosion cleans/fixes up easy.

Only 3 traces affected, but not destroyed, after a bath works fine, even boots from HDD.

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Reply 4819 of 4857, by BitWrangler

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Great! Just a nice DX2/VLB hyan-doing what it hyan-does.

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.