Studiostriver wrote on 2025-01-20, 23:02:
dionb wrote on 2025-01-20, 21:40:
What do you mean by "point and click"? Are you talking about Sierra (Kings Quest, Space Quest) or Lucasarts (Monkey Island, DOTT) games? If so a Pentium 1 is already much too fast. Games like that want something between an XT and an early 486.
Now, it's possible to slow down a Pentium build to that sort of speed, even some later ones (Via C3-based systems), but it requires some pretty specific hardware. Moreover, DOS sound is a whole rabbit hole of its own, but TLDR, you need ISA slots for it.
Before answering your question about what might or might not be a good idea, please be more specific about some examples of the games you might want to play on a system like this, in particular the oldest and newest. If you already have a P2 build, I'd personally suggest looking for something a 33MHz 486 instead.
Forgive me for my ignorace, yes i meant about Monkey Island etc. I had no clue Pentium 1 is too fast. I have no P2 at this point, i recenlty in last started this whole retro journey and i built myself Pentium 3 hybrid which i currently play.
It just came to me that building older machine dedicated for adventure and point and click , strategy and overall some old classic games would be very cool thing.
OK, lets have a look...
A good resource for this sort of thing:
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/List_of_ … sensitive_games
I'll add year and CPU speed needed if known
Outrun - 1989
Space Quest 3/4/5/6 - 1989-1995, 4 and 5 need 16-25MHz 386/486
Indiana Jones and Last Crusade/Fate of Atlantis - 1993 - 486 16MHz
Railroad Tycoon - 1990
Kings Quest V/VI 1990-1992
Wing Commander I/II 1990-1991 - needs 386DX33
Golden Axe - 1990
Secret of Monkey Island - 1990 - 386DX40/486-25
Le Chucks Revenge - 1991
Heart of China - 1991
Civilization - 1991
Ultima Underworld - 1992 - max 486DX2 66
Eye of Beholder I/II - 1991
Wolfenstein 3D - 1992
Grand Prix - 1992
Dune 1/2 - 1992 - max P2 233
Syndicate - 1993 - max P166
Doom I/II - 1993-1994
Beneath the steel sky - 1994
Heretic - 1994
Raptor - 1994
Warcraft - 1994 - 386DX33
Colonization - 1994 - max P166
Wizardry 5/6/7 - 1988-1992 - VI: 386DX33, VII: no Pentium without a patch.
Albion - 1995
Blood - 1997
Ceasar I/II - 1992-1995
Call of Cthuhlu - 1993
Discworld I/II - 1995-1996
Fallout - 1997
Heroes of Might and Magic 1/2 - 1995-1996
Broken Sword - 1996
Kure of Temptress - 1992
Master of Magic - 1994
Warcraft 1/2 you already listed 1 😉 2: 1995 P133 max for original DOS version (Battle.net Windows version no problems)
Simon the Sorcerer - 1993
Police Quest - 1987
Raptor - you already listed this 😉
Ultima 7 - 1992 - probably the most difficult game in the list. 486-33, and NO memory managers
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So, looking at this list:
- you want games from 1987 (basically XT era, even if AT and first 386 were around) to 1997
- most are from 1993 or older.
- almost all speed sensitive titles are older ones
You say you have a 'Pentium 3 hybrid'. Not sure what that means, but all the 1994 or later games could probably be run on that (in a few cases with cache disabled to slow it down).
For the older stuff, I'd re-iterate my earlier suggestion: a 486-33 (DX or SX doesn't matter as none of these titles use FPU) with turbo mode (i.e. possibility to slow down to XT speed at the press of a button) would be your best bet.
More specifically, I'd tailor it specifically to Ultima 7. It is one of the most difficult games to run on newer hardware as it does things like re-enable L1 cache if it's disabled in BIOS. Also it has its own memory manager incompatible with EMM386, for (MT-32) MIDI it requires intelligent mode, but due to the memory management thing it doesn't work with SoftMPU - and for full sound+effects it needs both a Sound Blaster (which needs to be *completely* compatible with a Creative SB1.0) and MT-32 via intelligent mode MIDI interface.
Bottom line: if you can run Ultima 7, you can probably run almost all problematic old stuff on the system. Which is why I've built a system specifically for it. I've gone full rabbit-hole, equipping it with a (self-assembled) Snark Barker SB1.0 replica, an original Roland MPU-401AT for MIDI and an MT-32. CPU is an UMC U5S-33, 4MB RAM and a UMC VLB 85C418F VGA (er, and UMC 10Mb NIC, and motherboard with UMC chipset - it's the Unicorn build 😜 ).
But you don't need to go that crazy. Get any 486 25-40, stick 4MB or so RAM in and add a decent VGA card and you're good to go, even with Ultima 7.