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LS-486E rev.F dead?

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First post, by Raov

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Hi everyone,

I found a LS-486E rev.F in my storage yesterday, and got to work seeing if I can make something boot on it. From what I've read it would be a great match for the CPUs I have (two IBM/Cyrix 5x86 100MHz and an AM486DX4-100), that is if it worked. I had two of those boards, one completely dead and another with either a dead keyboard controller or a skill issue on my side. I threw out the seemingly bad one a long time ago, and seems like I mixed them up.

The board on my hands acts almost as if there is no CPU installed at all - all voltages are present, along with ISA CLK and FRAMEs and a reset pulse on startup, but no POST codes (--). Same thing happens without the CPU installed, so I'm guessing at least the board's vitals are working.
What I tried:
-A visual lookover, all good
-Swapping CPUs
-Multiple jumper configs for each CPU tried
-Checking PSU against known working boards, works
After doing the above I decided to dig deeper and checked the CPU voltage regulator - 5v on the emitter, as it should be, base is 1.27v regardless of CPU voltage jumper settings, but the collector voltage behaves weird - starts out at 0.85v, then creeps up to 1.15v or so. When I bridge W1, collector voltage is 5v flat, base is unchanged. I have a suspicion that the transistor is shot, and would like to get a second opinion on this.

And of course, board pics.

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Reply 1 of 9, by auron

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one leg on the 86C496 chip right below the CPU socket looks weird, above the TC4 electrolytic cap. it's probably just the photo but still.

Reply 2 of 9, by amadeus777999

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auron wrote on 2025-01-21, 18:45:

one leg on the 86C496 chip right below the CPU socket looks weird, above the TC4 electrolytic cap. it's probably just the photo but still.

x2 - maybe it's touching the other leg.

Reply 3 of 9, by Horun

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dust speck or a solder bridge maybe ?
If me would try a standard 486 5v like a DX-33 first to make sure the board functions, you didn't mention if that was one of the cpu's you tried...

Hate posting a reply and then have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. Stuff: https://archive.org/details/@horun

Reply 4 of 9, by Raov

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auron wrote on 2025-01-21, 18:45:

one leg on the 86C496 chip right below the CPU socket looks weird, above the TC4 electrolytic cap. it's probably just the photo but still.

Great eyes - there was indeed something, but seemingly nothing conductive. Didn't bridge any other legs either. Still don't know what it was, and cleaning it off didn't do any change.

Horun wrote on 2025-01-21, 21:36:

If me would try a standard 486 5v like a DX-33 first to make sure the board functions

If I could, I would. The only 5v CPU I have is the SX-25 in my PS/1, but that's soldered of course, so no use from it.

Reply 5 of 9, by myne

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I always start with a wash.
I am lazy, so a dishwasher cycle with no soap works well.
Otherwise standard water, dishsoap and a toothbrush.

Dry thoroughly.
Start troubleshooting.

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Reply 6 of 9, by Raov

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Got myself a new TIP127, now there is stable 3v3 on CPU VCC. With it, there is more activity too - ISA is the same, but PCI now has IRDY and FRAMEs, and the CPU also heats up! Still no POST codes, but hey, small steps.

Reply 7 of 9, by Raov

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Well, I got the board working! ...for a couple boots at least. Last issue to fix was the bent pins in the SIMM slot, which I bent back into shape. Set the date and a couple other settings, and after a quick test swap from a Cyrix DX2-66 to a IBM 5x86-100, the board now cycles between C1 and FF regardless of what CPU I throw at it, and whether there is any RAM seated. Resetting CMOS did not do anything. What could be at play here?

Reply 8 of 9, by Raov

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Nevermind, figured it out - the socket is a bit flaky and needs a couple jerks with the locking lever.
Board seems to work well so far, will write in the thread again if something comes up.

Reply 9 of 9, by myne

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Nice one!
I still vote for a wash.

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