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First post, by DrFuchs

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Hi, this is my first post here, please be gentle.

Yesterday I started to clean the basement of my parent's house and took nearly 40 kg of old computer stuff from 1990 - 2005 era, mostly reaminings of my dad's business. Now I need to decide what to keep / trade / trash.

My goal is to have some nice builds, I want to keep the 486 and something to put the Voodoo 1 in. I don't care that much about rarity so I would give away the Intel Premiere ALTX because of my Socket 7 and the NexGen 586 in favour of my 486. I'm also in deserate need of AT cases because nothing was there but a really heavy rusty big tower 🙁

Can you tell me what is definitive trash which nobody ever would want even as a gift? I presume the 10 Mbit PCI Ethernet Cards, ISDN, Modem? Is SCSI a thing? 802.11b Wifi?

I'm overwhelmed and next weekend the journey will continue 😁

The 486 Parts were together in one PC:

  • PCChips M912 v1.7 VLB with real Cache 😀
  • AMD DX4-100
  • miroSOUND PCM12 with Waveblaster CT1910 Addon Board ISA
  • Hercules Dynamite VL Pro TsengLabs ET4000/W32i VLB
  • UN-1082 VL Hard Disk and Floppy Controller
  • DM9008 Davicom Ethernet Card 10Base-T ISA

Then some Boards with CPU

  • ECS Elitegroup P6BAP-A+ v1.0 with P3 733 Socket 370 ATX
  • Intel Premiere ALTX Board with P1 60 Socket 4 AT
  • NexGen 586 Board VLB and NexGen 586 CPU P90 AT
  • P2B-S Slot 1 with P2-400 ATX
  • PowerPC 750 Board ATX

And really many Addon-Cards:

  • S3 Savage Pro CT6900 AGP
  • digital 21143-PD Fast Ethernet PCI
  • Elsa Winner 2 A16 SG S3 Savage 4 Pro AGP
  • 6x RTL8139B/C Fast Ethernet PCI
  • TEKRAM DC-290N PCI Dual Enhance IDE Controller for IDE HDD or ATAPI CD-ROM PCI
  • TEKRAM DC-315U SCSI Controller PCI
  • Ali M5271 USB 2.0 FireWire (SD, CF, …) PCI
  • Ati Rage 128 AGP
  • CONTROLLER IBM 06H4579 ULTRA SCSI PCI AHA-2940 PCI
  • 2x RTL8029 10 Mbit LAN PCI
  • Advance 29100 HPT370A PCI
  • Elsa Airlancer PCI 11 54 Mbit WLAN PCMCIA? PCI
  • AHA 2940U2B AIC7890AB Scsi ultra 2 wide PCI
  • Mylex Accele-RAID160 68-Pin SCSI PCI Intel Qlogic Controller D040473-16NB-FSC1 160 Scsi
  • Intergraph Intense 3D Wildcat 4105 (MSMT613) AGP
  • Behemoth of SCSI Controller with intel i960 PCI
  • IBM 01K7352 ServeRaid 3L Ultra2 Wide SCSI LVDSE Controller Board PCI
  • DOMEX 436P  SCSI ISA CONTROLLER CARD FCC ID:KQ53181L-E
  • AHA-3940AU MultiChannel PCI-to-Ultra SCSI
  • Rage 128 GL PCI
  • FUTURE DOMAIN CORPORATION TMC-860 SCSI ISA
  • 25DB Serial Card ST78C34CJ ISA
  • UMC CT-450 UM82450 UM82C11 ISA Controller Board I/O COM+LPT
  • ISA Radio Card AIMS Lab 9020-234567-01
  • ISA SCSI CONTROLLER DOMEX DTCT-436P DMX3181LE
  • ReadyLINK ENET100-VG4/PCI 10/100 Mbit att2md11
  • CT4830 SB Live PCI
  • 54 Mbit 802.11g
  • NETWORK CARD INTEL MP 721502-005 100TX 721383-008 RJ-45 PCI
  • EN5030B SMC Fast Ethernet
  • Intel Pro/100 689661 PCI Network Fast Ethernet Adapter
  • Infineon AN983B 10/100 Mbps Network Interface Card.
  • OPTi FireLink USB PCI Controller 82C861 USB 1.1
  • SYM53C875/875E PCI-Ultra SCSI I/O Processor
  • PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter Cnet 18-1B-P110, Asix AX88140AQ
  • Matrox Millienium 2 PCI
  • WINBOND (W86C450) 8-Bit ISA Game Parallel Serial Port
  • GoldStar GM16C450 Multi I/O Card ISA
  • ATI Rage Pro Turbo PCI
  • CardExpert GX3 S3 Savage 3D AGP
  • 8MB NUMBER NINE AGP VGA VIDEO CARD / IBM FRU: 09N5898
  • Matrox G2+ MSDP 8BI 20 Millennium G200 8MB 64Bit
  • Geforce 2 MX 400 (CMX8L) AGP
  • TNT2 M64 AGP
  • PCIFW2 Firewire
  • V90 HAM PCI 56k isa
  • Voodoo 1 PCI
  • Elsa Victory Erazor 4 Riva 128 + Cable Extension for Shutter Glasses and AV PCI
  • Ati Rage Pro AGP
  • V90 HAM PCI 56k
  • 0197 ISDN PCI
  • 4x AVM ISDN PCI
  • 0499 Modem PCI
  • 3com Modem PCI
  • Compaq 169811-002 004165-002 rev:k netflex - 3/p pci ethernet controller card PCI
  • Technisat Sky 2 PC PCI
  • Trident TGUI9440AGi PCI
  • USBN wlan 802.11b
  • ELSA Airlancer FULL PACKAGE
  • 2x ELSA Victory Erazor AGP 4 Riva 128 (1x with Cable Extension)
  • ST Lab 16MB Graphics Card- SIS305 AGP
  • Obscure Displays with ISA Adapter
  • Radeon 9250 AGP
  • Silicon Image SATA Controller PCI
  • Matrox Millennium G550 MGI G55+MDHA32DB 32MB 64Bit AGP

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Reply 1 of 34, by Linoleum

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Personally, I would keep everything but those damn modems and anything firewire related.

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Reply 2 of 34, by alvaro84

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The Nexgen and Socket 4 boards are absolute keepers. For DOS builds the Riva 128 cards are also great, I'm an unwavering fan of those. Voodoo 1, that can come handy too. The M912 and the SBlive too, though the latter is anything but rare. No problem.

Edit. Oh, and the Wildcat. I don't even know how that works but that's... a very interesting piece, exciting even.

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Reply 4 of 34, by DrFuchs

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alvaro84 wrote on 2025-01-27, 17:33:

and the Wildcat.

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It's a beast.

I forgot: ASUS CUSL2, P3-1000EB, GF4-4200 AGP, GF3-200 AGP, SB Live! PCI, Opti 4 Port USB Controller PCI, ESS18xx PCI Soundcard and another 10/100 Intel Pro PCI.
Also two ELSA 3D REVELATOR Shutter Glasses - I used them as a kid with the ELSA Victory Erazor if I remember correctly.

In for sound build ideas.

I will have to trade something of my parts because I'm missing AT Cases, ISA/VLB GPU and ISA Soundcard for the NexGen.

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Reply 5 of 34, by RetroGamer4Ever

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Modems and FireWire can be ditched, but you MIGHT be able to get some $$$$ for them, as there's still some usage scenarios for FireWire (A/V media retrieval/migration is one) and some weirdos just want old modems for whatever weird purpose. I don't know if the same holds true for SCSI at this point, but someone somewhere is always using really old stuff in weird ways.

Reply 6 of 34, by Joakim

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Hmm! ISA Radio card sounds kind of interesting, as FM radio is still around.

I agree, most things there are sellable if you have the time. But maybe not the modems. 😀

Reply 7 of 34, by RandomStranger

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I'd sell the modems too, but also the SCSI stuff. My basement is full of SCSI stuff and I never got any real use out of them, just lazy to sell them. Maybe one or two better controller cards could stay if you ever get around to build something with an SCSI optical drive.

I'd also trim down the number of of networking cards, keeping some of the better ones.

The ISA serial cards, you probably don't need 25 of them. I'd keep like 5.

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Reply 8 of 34, by amijim

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My advice would be to keep the 486 dx4 ,complete the nexgen and sell all other hardware on ebay.It is not about the money but for the dealing with buyera and trade as your father used to do.It is exactly like walking in his shoes.Eventually it will take time to sell all that hardware so enjoy the ride.

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Reply 9 of 34, by chinny22

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Video card and sound cards can be sold for a bit more.
but if you have the time list low value items on eBay individually with a €1 plus shipping and it's surprising what does sell.

SCSI and firewire has a small following.
Network cards are always useful, including slow Wifi cards if they support older windows versions
Even modems are gaining in popularity with people recreating dial up networks, Although mostly external modems, I'd try selling all of them for €5

I did a big clear out in 2023, and was surprised what sold and what didn't.

Reply 10 of 34, by dionb

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*Give* away an Nx586? If serious, I'll take it 😜 - that thing is worth a couple of hundred EUR easily (at least, if it works). Even if you aren't interested in it yourself, the sort of money selling that could net you would let you buy nice stuff you are interested in. Or you could exchange it.

In a very general sense, the only things that really aren't going to be useful/interesting for others are the ISDN cards and analog modems, as the infrastructure to use them with simply doesn't exist anymore. A lot of the rest is pretty generic, so not worth a huge amount (EUR 2.50-10 or so); the biggest challenge would be connecting to people who happen to be looking for an old 10Mb NIC or ISA SCSI card. It would be a lot of work to offload everything here, but you could consider bundling stuff.

Reply 12 of 34, by myne

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P60 might be a collectable.
See if you can trigger the bug that got them recalled.

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Reply 13 of 34, by DrFuchs

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Ok guys, I'll test all of the components and keep you updated.

This weekend I'll pick up the second batch of parts. I'm not that interested in dumping on eBay, neither willing to pay hundreds of bucks for VLB GPU or ISA soundcard myself. Maybe I can trade some of the ridiculous high priced parts for some other that I would need eventually.

Ordered three OEM Dell 80+ Gold ATX PSU with strong -12V rail and built already two AT adapter because I'm not willing to fry my stuff with the old AT PSUs (did not mention above, they're in questionable condition). Will be on the bench till I get some cases (I can't answer your PM's 😁, so please leave me another contact option).

For some of the components I'll need help. I really don't know how to operate the PowerPC - Linux?

Do I need passive / active cooling for the Socket 4 P60? Is there something "compatible" from more modern sockets?

Hopefully the RAM works. I've a lot of 72pin modules.

Don't hold back your good advice, I've a strong CS and a bit of EE background but maybe I'm overlooking some obvious or not so obvious caveats - I won't judge you for a schoolmasterish tone 😀

Reply 14 of 34, by myne

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Lol!
So cute!

It'll barely get warm with zero cooling.
That's how they ran

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Reply 15 of 34, by jmarsh

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myne wrote on 2025-01-28, 13:21:
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Lol!
So cute!

It'll barely get warm with zero cooling.
That's how they ran

That is absolutely not true. P60s were hot and will cook themselves without a fan.

I don't think the one pictured will have the FDIV bug either, they changed the print on the fixed versions so they don't have the word "processor" under pentium.

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Reply 16 of 34, by kixs

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You've got many nice things. It's a fast start of a collection 😀

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Reply 18 of 34, by dionb

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maxtherabbit wrote on 2025-01-28, 15:11:

Anything ISDN related is definitely not trash. Many people are experimenting with recreating these networks and the hardware is scarce

Scarce? Maybe in the US, here in EU pretty much any random lot of hardware is bulked out with multiple Eicon Diva and (like here) AVM ISDN cards. Of course, if we keep throwing them away they will sooner or later get scarce, but for now they are probably the commonest 'useless' cards in DE and in NL (which never deployed ISDN as widely) second behind analog POTS modems.

Reply 19 of 34, by douglar

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Joakim wrote on 2025-01-27, 19:06:

I agree, most things there are sellable if you have the time. But maybe not the modems. 😀

Reasons to keep modems:

  • Cheaper than buying new blank slot covers
  • Could be a source of spare surface mount resistors in some cases
  • ISA models <= 33.6 often have re-usable eproms

Anything else?