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First post, by Smedis2

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I'm going to formally apologize for "old hardware gore". I've been doing this mostly by feeling it through and doing basic research. This is my attempt to atone for my sins and not create even more e-waste and wasted paychecks. This involves putting a PC in a case for the seemingly uber rare Intergraph TDZ-2000 if you want a full preparation of how much debauchery is afoot here.

Hi, everyone! I've been having a hell of a time recently trying to build a Socket A PC. I got the thing to boot exactly once, and now it's refused to cooperate for the past two days before I've even managed to put in any sort of storage medium. I swear there was a POST beep when it first launched, but now the fans just spin up and nothing else. The AGP slot seems to be getting power as the GPU's fan also spins.

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I attempted to install this in a case that I got for free at VCF Midwest a couple of years ago that was sitting around. It seemed to have integrated standoff screws, little popped-up doohickeys with screw holes. I theorized that maybe the case was shorting it, but things got even more confusing as time progressed. I have tried swapping the RAM and taking out the GPU to see if it would react, but it acts the same no matter what. Fans spin up, nothing else. Ditto for the battery and the CMOS.

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I have 2 PSUs I've attempted to use on the thing. I speculated that the one I got from eBay, a Sparkle FSP300-60BT might've gone bad in shipping, but since we were already at the point of seemingly no return, I put in a DELL PSU from a Dimension in there as well to no avail. This would be a footnote if it weren't for the fact that the Dell now no longer properly powers up and seems to behave in the same sort of catatonic state the WinFast board does. LED on board, fans spin, no other signs of life. The Sparkle PSU was not put into it, to add even more layers of confusion.

I have two more mobos coming in the mail alongside a more "proper" case not sourced from some wacky old CAD computer, and I'm now extra paranoid I've missed the point entirely and I'm going to nuke those in the process as well. Have I doomed myself to a life of killing vintage hardware over and over again like some sort of crappy Greek legend? This has actually been getting on my nerves and I think it's sensible to say I would prefer not wasting more cash and braincells on this given it was meant to be a passion project.

My own personal theories are

A) The motherboard itself was bad to begin with
B) The constant moving around of things during assembly killed something
C) I have really shitty power supplies
D) It's something really obvious and stupid I didn't consider like the wall it's plugged into

MOBO: Foxconn Winfast 748K7AA
CPU: Sempron 2400MHZ
GPU: ATI Radeon 9550 256MB AGP
3GB of RAM

Reply 1 of 10, by OVERK|LL

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The Dell power supply wasn't one of those older ones with the modified ATX pin-out was it?

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Reply 2 of 10, by Smedis2

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That... would explain a lot 🤣. I was already at the "shit's fucked" point when I tried it so I'm not crying too many tears about that specifically, but it's nice to know.

Reply 3 of 10, by myne

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You didn't do the classic "left an extra standoff screw in the case and shorted something" did you?

Got a multimeter? Try out of the case.

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Reply 4 of 10, by OVERK|LL

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Smedis2 wrote on 2025-02-28, 12:28:

That... would explain a lot 🤣. I was already at the "shit's fucked" point when I tried it so I'm not crying too many tears about that specifically, but it's nice to know.

Oh man, that sucks. Well at least the Dell computer should be fine, even though you may have screwed up the power supply you had for it.

Back in the day, when I had a Dell Pentium III 800, that had a proprietary PSU, I needed a bigger one, for my graphics card, so I bought a standard ATX one and re-pinned the connector. So that's a route you can go if you don't have a spare PSU to replace the Dell one.

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Reply 5 of 10, by Smedis2

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Okay, great-ish update: My dad was stupid and forgot a single plug on the Dell Dimension motherboard. It does indeed still work! That was INSANELY cathartic to see the BIOS show up.

I did however take my Foxconn board and try it on its own with the Sparkle PSU and still nothing. So... that's not great. But hey, at least I didn't kill two computers at once!

Reply 6 of 10, by Smedis2

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I'm not sure if it means anything but the Dell PSU is a E173738. Can't really tell if it's a proprietary one or not.

Reply 7 of 10, by Smedis2

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I may be naive but this doesn't appear to be anything actually proprietary, is it? Google shows me 8-pin connectors and this thing looks completely valid.
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This would actually be great news as it more than likely means the Socket A Foxconn motherboard itself was DOA, which still sucks but it removes most of the blame from me lmao
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(Yes, despite being a 24-pin I did plug this into the other one after reading from multiple google results that it would still allegedly work. This was also after the initial run with the Sparkle PSU so I was basically just troubleshooting at that point).

Reply 8 of 10, by OVERK|LL

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Smedis2 wrote on 2025-02-28, 21:58:
I may be naive but this doesn't appear to be anything actually proprietary, is it? Google shows me 8-pin connectors and this thi […]
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I may be naive but this doesn't appear to be anything actually proprietary, is it? Google shows me 8-pin connectors and this thing looks completely valid.
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This would actually be great news as it more than likely means the Socket A Foxconn motherboard itself was DOA, which still sucks but it removes most of the blame from me lmao
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(Yes, despite being a 24-pin I did plug this into the other one after reading from multiple google results that it would still allegedly work. This was also after the initial run with the Sparkle PSU so I was basically just troubleshooting at that point).

The Dell "proprietary" plug is a standard ATX plug, with some of the wiring modified. You can tell if yours is one of those by comparing the colours between it, and a standard ATX PSU, confirming they are all in the same spots.

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Reply 9 of 10, by momaka

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Am I the only one that is not seeing the pictures in this thread??
O/P, check you posts again, please.

Smedis2 wrote on 2025-02-28, 21:44:

I'm not sure if it means anything but the Dell PSU is a E173738.

Uhm... that's the UL safety certificate # - just tell you who (which OEM) actually made the PSU for Dell. In this case:
E173738 = Newton Power * ... a.k.a. Delta Electronics... which is really good, as they make pretty solid PSUs.

* according to old forum posts (since Underwriters Laboratories website is not so user-friendly for doing this kind of searching anymore - thank you Web 2.0 enshittification! )

Smedis2 wrote on 2025-02-27, 22:45:

I speculated that the one I got from eBay, a Sparkle FSP300-60BT might've gone bad in shipping...

Sparkle = FSP = Fortron Source

Their old PSUs regularly used cheapo Teapo caps, along with CapXon and other similarly bad-cap era caps.
Thus, you should definitely open it and post pictures of its insides here.
- No, you won't get shocked and die. Just unplug the PSU before trying to open it, as common(?) sense might dictate. 😉

There's a good chance it might need a recap. And even if it doesn't, at least it's worth to know what particular build is inside it. Some of the very old Sparkle / FSP units have 2-transistor 5VSB circuits, which can be dangerous for the motherboard if their caps go bad over time. Here's a thread for a FSP300-60GTF we are currently troubleshooting right now (victim of bad caps on the 5VSB, causing the circuit to go bad):
(SOLVED) FSP300-60GTF repair - blown transoptor, resistors, worth it?
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and it apparently is identical (or nearly so) to a Sparkle Power FSP250-60ATV, as seen below (scroll to post # 3122):
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting … 157#post1520478

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PSUs aside, I'm hoping you know this by heart for socket A/462 PCs: NEVER RUN THE BOARD WITHOUT THE CPU HEATSINK AND FAN INSTALLED (clipped) PROPERLY. 😉

Reply 10 of 10, by Smedis2

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EXCITING UPDATE: I got a new motherboard and it works fine (for the time being, trying to to jinx anything). It seems like the Foxconn one just... died on reboot. I've restarted the new one multiple times out of the case and on cardboard and it's able to get into Windows 98 and DOS. Thanks for the advice!