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Reply 20 of 24, by myne

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Or not be a bull in a China shop.

Just try 2k/xp.
If the usb works fine, it's the drivers in 9x.
I wish you luck finding the magic combo.

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Reply 21 of 24, by momaka

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myne wrote on 2025-03-03, 13:02:

Or not be a bull in a China shop.

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But then life would be boring, wouldn't it? 😁

Reply 22 of 24, by PcBytes

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spacesaver wrote on 2025-03-03, 12:04:
Wait, the USB was working. The reason I claimed it wasn't was because […]
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Wait, the USB was working. The reason I claimed it wasn't was because

1. A USB keyboard is working during boot, using the BIOS driver. Loading any USB host driver in Win98 (both NUSB 3.6 and the earlier Intel drivers from 2000) makes the keyboard stop working.
2. Somehow this motherboard's IO backplate blocks 1 of the USB ports. I had removed it to try the other USB port, but apparently it doesn't work. My other version 1.0 of the motherboard definitely allows both.

Anyone know what could be causing devices to not work with the Windows driver? I'm pretty sure the USB port worked 1 month ago, when I used it to copy ATI drivers. Is there any chance there's still a hardware fault, like maybe only the transmit line is connected, but not receive? Or is it because BIOS uses low speed (1.5 MBit/s) instead of full speed (12 MBit/s)?

Did you check if USB keyboard is set to enabled in BIOS? I've seen that option on boards as old as Gigabyte's 5AX.

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Reply 23 of 24, by spacesaver

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Did you check if USB keyboard is set to enabled in BIOS?

Yes, I have that option and tried with it on and off. That setting has no effect on Windows because all it does is install an interrupt handler for DOS or Windows to use. But once Windows loads the USB host driver, it kicks the BIOS driver out.

Or not be a bull in a China shop. Just try 2k/xp.

Heh, I was sort of raging like a bull, but that's only because my attempts to use the vacuum desolderer and solder wick failed. Good idea to check in Windows XP. It also doesn't detect any device and repeatedly says, "Power Surge on Hub Port", so there still is some hardware fault. I checked the voltage on the power pins on the 2nd, useless port while the keyboard was plugged into the 1st port, and it was the normal 5V.

BUY A VACUUM DESOLDERING PUMP

I have one (not built into the soldering iron), but I didn't realize you had to quickly withdraw the soldering iron, completely cover the thru-hole, then press the trigger. I was holding it at a 45" angle without covering, which worked in the past when the solder was only on the surface. I tried the new way on a throw away motherboard and it does work for thru-holes.

Reply 24 of 24, by maxtherabbit

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I meant one that's integrated into an iron. The handheld ones are POS