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Banshee - Which motherboard to install in?

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First post, by zuldan

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I have a Diamond Monster Banshee (not arrived yet) that I want to put into a build. The motherboard options are;

1) Gigabyte GA-5AA Rev 3.1 (SDR ram) / K6-2+ 500 (which previously had a V2’s in SLI and later a V3 3000. I had terrible performance with both Voodoo cards on this board, known issue)

2) ASUS SP97-V (EDO ram) / K6-2+ 500

3) Shuttle HOT-433 v4.0 5x86 @ 160

So I have a problem. Potentially terrible performance with the GA-5AA or terrible performance on the SP97-V due to EDO ram. Would putting a Banshee on a system with only EDO be silly? Or do I just do a silly build and chuck it in the 486?

Any advice / thoughts is greatly welcome!

Reply 1 of 28, by Berlin408PL

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The GA-5AA has known Voodoo issues, and the SP97-V’s EDO RAM will limit the Banshee’s performance. While the HOT-433 would be a fun "silly build", the 5x86 would severely bottleneck it. If you want the best results from your options, the SP97-V is likely your best bet despite the EDO drawback. Ideally, a Super Socket 7 board with SDRAM would be better.

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Reply 2 of 28, by rain

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I ve same card and curious about which driver to use? Using windows 98.

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Reply 3 of 28, by stef80

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@zuldan Is it about Gigabyte GA-5AA particular revision or any revision?
What about TX430 chipset + SDRAM + K6-2+/K6-3 (L2 on CPU)?

Reply 4 of 28, by zuldan

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Berlin408PL wrote on 2025-03-24, 11:10:

The GA-5AA has known Voodoo issues, and the SP97-V’s EDO RAM will limit the Banshee’s performance. While the HOT-433 would be a fun "silly build", the 5x86 would severely bottleneck it. If you want the best results from your options, the SP97-V is likely your best bet despite the EDO drawback. Ideally, a Super Socket 7 board with SDRAM would be better.

Thank you for your thoughts. I was kinda leaning towards the silly build…

Reply 6 of 28, by zuldan

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stef80 wrote on 2025-03-24, 11:23:

@zuldan Is it about Gigabyte GA-5AA particular revision or any revision?
What about TX430 chipset + SDRAM + K6-2+/K6-3 (L2 on CPU)?

I believe all GA-5AA revisions are impacted. In my personal opinion, all small form factor SS7, no matter the chipset have the Voodoo bug.

Unfortunately I don’t know of any TX430 boards that can take a K6-2+ 550. Their bus and multiplier speeds are low.

Reply 7 of 28, by Lostdotfish

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zuldan wrote on 2025-03-24, 12:00:
stef80 wrote on 2025-03-24, 11:23:

@zuldan Is it about Gigabyte GA-5AA particular revision or any revision?
What about TX430 chipset + SDRAM + K6-2+/K6-3 (L2 on CPU)?

I believe all GA-5AA revisions are impacted. In my personal opinion, all small form factor SS7, no matter the chipset have the Voodoo bug.

Unfortunately I don’t know of any TX430 boards that can take a K6-2+ 550. Their bus and multiplier speeds are low.

With the right 430TX board and a modded BIOS you can run the 550 at 500MHz (83MHz x 6). K6 plus use a X2 multi on the board to run at an actual X6 multiplier.

My TI5TT is currently doing exactly that.

Reply 8 of 28, by zuldan

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Lostdotfish wrote on 2025-03-24, 12:26:
zuldan wrote on 2025-03-24, 12:00:
stef80 wrote on 2025-03-24, 11:23:

@zuldan Is it about Gigabyte GA-5AA particular revision or any revision?
What about TX430 chipset + SDRAM + K6-2+/K6-3 (L2 on CPU)?

I believe all GA-5AA revisions are impacted. In my personal opinion, all small form factor SS7, no matter the chipset have the Voodoo bug.

Unfortunately I don’t know of any TX430 boards that can take a K6-2+ 550. Their bus and multiplier speeds are low.

With the right 430TX board and a modded BIOS you can run the 550 at 500MHz (83MHz x 6). K6 plus use a X2 multi on the board to run at an actual X6 multiplier.

My TI5TT is currently doing exactly that.

Went through my stash of motherboards and found this 430TX https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/lucky- … x1-rev-1.31-2.0. Slightly updated documentation for it here Re: The "kinda" working Pentium PC

But the lowest voltage it goes down to is 2.2v 🙁

Reply 9 of 28, by stef80

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It would be OK for lower voltage K6-3 or regualar K6-2, a bit high for '+' CPU.
AOpen AP5T rev 3.x and Asus TX97 can go as low as 2.0V, and have BIOS support ... from the top of my head.

Reply 10 of 28, by chinny22

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The 2D side of the Banshee does make for a fast compatible dos card, so it's not the stupidest idea to chuck in a 486.
In theory you'll get better 3d performance as well as it'll take work off the CPU, reality is a 486 is still too slow but still could be fun to play around with.

Reply 11 of 28, by byte_76

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Is there a thread about the GA-5AA issue with 3Dfx cards?
I have one of those boards (ver. 1.1) and wasn’t aware of that issue.

Reply 12 of 28, by Shadzilla

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I have my Creative 3D Blaster Banshee PCI card in my GA-5AA rev. 3.2 board and it works perfectly. In fact it's one of my favourite builds. Paired with a K6-2 500 and 64Mb of ram. I played through Half-Life again on that system and although it needed a bit of tweaking to get the performance decent it ran like a champ, just like it did for me back in the day 😀

Reply 13 of 28, by analog_programmer

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zuldan wrote on 2025-03-24, 12:00:

I believe all GA-5AA revisions are impacted. In my personal opinion, all small form factor SS7, no matter the chipset have the Voodoo bug.

What is this so widespread 3dfx videocards compatibility bug?

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Reply 15 of 28, by zuldan

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Shadzilla wrote on 2025-03-25, 08:54:

I have my Creative 3D Blaster Banshee PCI card in my GA-5AA rev. 3.2 board and it works perfectly. In fact it's one of my favourite builds. Paired with a K6-2 500 and 64Mb of ram. I played through Half-Life again on that system and although it needed a bit of tweaking to get the performance decent it ran like a champ, just like it did for me back in the day 😀

You won’t know you have an issue until you compare benchmark results with other motherboards. I’ve seen the issue with Voodoo 2’s and Voodoo 3’s. I haven’t seen anyone compare results with a Banshee yet but since it’s really just a Voodoo 2 I assume the issue will still be there.

Reply 16 of 28, by zuldan

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analog_programmer wrote on 2025-03-25, 15:21:
zuldan wrote on 2025-03-24, 12:00:

I believe all GA-5AA revisions are impacted. In my personal opinion, all small form factor SS7, no matter the chipset have the Voodoo bug.

What is this so widespread 3dfx videocards compatibility bug?

No one knows 🙁 It’s most talked about in the thread Voodoo 3 AGP thread I quoted above.

Reply 17 of 28, by analog_programmer

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zuldan wrote on 2025-03-25, 17:07:

No one knows 🙁 It’s most talked about in the thread Voodoo 3 AGP thread I quoted above.

There is solution, but no solution has been revealed 😁 Re: Voodoo 3 3000 AGP under performing?

What if this slowdown problem is related to CPU initialization by the BIOS - comments are mostly for AMD K6-2+ configurations? K6INIT may help to verify this hypothesis.

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Reply 18 of 28, by zuldan

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analog_programmer wrote on 2025-03-25, 17:51:
zuldan wrote on 2025-03-25, 17:07:

No one knows 🙁 It’s most talked about in the thread Voodoo 3 AGP thread I quoted above.

There is solution, but no solution has been revealed 😁 Re: Voodoo 3 3000 AGP under performing?

What if this slowdown problem is related to CPU initialization by the BIOS - comments are mostly for AMD K6-2+ configurations? K6INIT may help to verify this hypothesis.

Not sure it’s something related to that. NVidia cards run at full speed on these problem motherboards. The issue is just specific to Voodoo cards 🙁

Reply 19 of 28, by PcBytes

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Been meaning to ask the same question since my recycler contact just got me an GA-5AA rev2.2.

Anything I should look out for in the meantime? I also have an Acorp 5ALI61 (aka Redfox ALI-AGP) in the meantime, if the same issue can be replicated there, as well as AGP Banshees and a V3 3000 (got a lot of Banshees 🤣)

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