So370=Slot1

It's just a different form factor, you can get both with the same chipsets. For stuff from 1997-2000 you can't beat BX stability, performance and compatibility. Slot 1 is more common, but a nice CUBX would fit the bill just as well.

dionb wrote on 2025-05-04, 11:49:

So370=Slot1

It's just a different form factor, you can get both with the same chipsets. For stuff from 1997-2000 you can't beat BX stability, performance and compatibility. Slot 1 is more common, but a nice CUBX would fit the bill just as well.

BX133-RAID, an adapted Tuallie, and you get the fastest BX you can think of 😀

dionb wrote on 2025-05-04, 11:49:

So370=Slot1

It's just a different form factor, you can get both with the same chipsets. For stuff from 1997-2000 you can't beat BX stability, performance and compatibility. Slot 1 is more common, but a nice CUBX would fit the bill just as well.

Thanks a lot for the info and sorry for getting stuff wrong. The Asus CUBX looks like a interesting mainboad. I will check he prices and the avaibility out asap.

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dionb wrote on 2025-05-04, 11:49:

So370=Slot1

It's just a different form factor, you can get both with the same chipsets. For stuff from 1997-2000 you can't beat BX stability, performance and compatibility. Slot 1 is more common, but a nice CUBX would fit the bill just as well.

BX133-RAID, an adapted Tuallie, and you get the fastest BX you can think of 😀
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Thanks for the reply as well. Getting a raid motherboad a modified Tualation also sounds like interesting project.

Such modded system would take the speed crown for sure. was thinking of moving towards the Pentium 3 800-1ghz coppermine anyway. So thinking about a Tualatin solution might be a possibilty for me as well

One thing to watch with any board of this age, but particularly with Abit boards, is the state of the capacitors. If you can find a BX133, either someone will have already replaced the caps or someone - you - needs to. Asus tended to use better caps at this time, but after 25 years there are no guarantees. But reality check: these are the Rolls-Royce and BMW M-series of the last generation of BX boards. They are uncommon and much sought-after, so if you find one it probably won't be cheap.

If you're looking for a period-correct system and not necessarily into overclocking, pretty much any Slot 1 board supporting Coppermine CPU voltages would be just as good and most likely a lot cheaper.

gamefan_851 wrote on 2025-05-04, 10:14:

After working with my MSI K7T266 Pro 2 Athlon Xp 1400 256 mb PC 133 ram […]
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Athlon Xp 1400
256 mb PC 133 ram

win 98 se system for quite some time I was hit by the 3dfx bug again and plan to get good voodoo 2 win 98 e machine. Which motherboard/chipset combo would you recommend that runs very stable with the Voodoo 2. The classic intel 440bx (something like the asus p2b) or a more modern socket 370 system?

Unlike my fist system which is rather broad win98se general sysem I want a rather fast system for the years 1997 to 2000.

please feel free to share you impressions.

You mention 1997-2000, are you trying to do something period correct within this time frame? If so, Tualatins are out of the question (2001).

In my opinion, if you're considering Tualatin you might as well jump to socket478 and get a Pentium4.

But seriously, anything with PCI slots can accommodate a Voodoo2. Why not just stick the Voodoo2 in your existing Win98 Athlon XP machine?

dionb wrote on 2025-05-04, 11:49:

So370=Slot1

What?

What about a board that supports RDRAM or DDR? Either of those is going to end up being faster than boards with SDRAM.

slivercr wrote on 2025-05-04, 22:11:

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dionb wrote on 2025-05-04, 11:49:

So370=Slot1

What?

They're functionally and electrically identical, supporting the same CPU types. Only difference is the form factor.

cyclone3d wrote on 2025-05-04, 22:46:

What about a board that supports RDRAM or DDR? Either of those is going to end up being faster than boards with SDRAM.

RDRAM isn't necessarily faster than SDRAM; clock-for-clock i440BX beats i820 in most benchmarks and equals i840. DDR (which is also SDRAM...) is pretty rare for P3 so hard to find and expensive, and even there the best option (SiS635T) is only very marginally faster than i440BX. If you spot a P6S5AT somewhere, by all means go for it, but given the focus is on V2, I'd not hold out for it.

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gamefan_851 wrote on 2025-05-04, 10:14:

After working with my MSI K7T266 Pro 2 Athlon Xp 1400 256 mb PC 133 ram […]
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After working with my MSI K7T266 Pro 2
Athlon Xp 1400
256 mb PC 133 ram

win 98 se system for quite some time I was hit by the 3dfx bug again and plan to get good voodoo 2 win 98 e machine. Which motherboard/chipset combo would you recommend that runs very stable with the Voodoo 2. The classic intel 440bx (something like the asus p2b) or a more modern socket 370 system?

Unlike my fist system which is rather broad win98se general sysem I want a rather fast system for the years 1997 to 2000.

please feel free to share you impressions.

You mention 1997-2000, are you trying to do something period correct within this time frame? If so, Tualatins are out of the question (2001).

In my opinion, if you're considering Tualatin you might as well jump to socket478 and get a Pentium4.

But seriously, anything with PCI slots can accommodate a Voodoo2. Why not just stick the Voodoo2 in your existing Win98 Athlon XP machine?

dionb wrote on 2025-05-04, 11:49:

So370=Slot1

What?

Thanks for your reply. Yes Tualatin is a bit beyond my time frame. I want to have rather peroid correct and powerful build for the year 2000 tech which can run games from 1997 to 2000 in good quality.

The idea of changing the gpu of my athlon build never crossed my mind. In that rig a geforce 4 4200 is doing the job. It is a running system so I don ot have the urge to change it.

@dionb Thanks for the warning about the caps. I am aware that the caps need to carefuly inspected after purchasing such a old board.

cyclone3d wrote on 2025-05-04, 22:46:

What about a board that supports RDRAM or DDR? Either of those is going to end up being faster than boards with SDRAM.

The Pentium III architecture suited SDRAMs low latency rather than the higher bandwidth of RDRAM.

While RDRAM was a good idea in isolation and compared to itself on the P4 it wasnt good in anything else.

slivercr wrote on 2025-05-04, 22:11:

But seriously, anything with PCI slots can accommodate a Voodoo2. Why not just stick the Voodoo2 in your existing Win98 Athlon XP machine?

I suggest you look into the compatibility issues before asserting something so strongly.

myne wrote on 2025-05-05, 09:55:

slivercr wrote on 2025-05-04, 22:11:

But seriously, anything with PCI slots can accommodate a Voodoo2. Why not just stick the Voodoo2 in your existing Win98 Athlon XP machine?

I suggest you look into the compatibility issues before asserting something so strongly.

Insteresting...
Sorry but Im not a Voodoo2 user, what compatibility issues are you talking about?

gamefan_851 wrote on 2025-05-05, 09:53:

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The idea of changing the gpu of my athlon build never crossed my mind. In that rig a geforce 4 4200 is doing the job. It is a running system so I don ot have the urge to change it.

Who said anything about changing? The V2 needs a regular video card next to it anyway and the Gf4Ti fits that bill - and is of course vastly faster for anything not using GLide.

Of course, sometimes half the fun is tailoring a system to a given requirement, but I'd say the option of just sticking the V2 next to the Gf4 is a valid one.

dionb wrote on 2025-05-05, 10:10:

gamefan_851 wrote on 2025-05-05, 09:53:

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The idea of changing the gpu of my athlon build never crossed my mind. In that rig a geforce 4 4200 is doing the job. It is a running system so I don ot have the urge to change it.

Who said anything about changing? The V2 needs a regular video card next to it anyway and the Gf4Ti fits that bill - and is of course vastly faster for anything not using GLide.

Of course, sometimes half the fun is tailoring a system to a given requirement, but I'd say the option of just sticking the V2 next to the Gf4 is a valid one.

Yep I am aware that the v2 needs a second card but I was thinking about something more peroid correct like riva tnt 1 or tnt2. Using the gf4 as partner for the v2 never crossed my mind. I am not a die hard peroid correct fan though. Good results are almost equally importent. moving away from the desired time frame I had originally envisionsed to get better quality for the non glide games is a path that would be feasible for me.

The GF4 already been proven to work well in tandem with the gf4.

dionb wrote on 2025-05-05, 09:24:

They're functionally and electrically identical, supporting the same CPU types. Only difference is the form factor.

Hmmm no.
- They're not functionally identical, e.g., Slot1 caters mostly to early Celeron, P2 and P3; 370 caters mostly to later Celerons and P3.
- They're not electrically identical, i.e., AGTL+ vs AGTL signaling.
- They don't support the same CPU types, e.g., there are no Slot1 motherboards with official Tualatin support, there are no s370 motherboards with Pentium2 support.

Saying they're equal may lead a user asking for advice (like above) to buy a motherboard that can't support the CPU they have.
And its not even only about the signaling, but also VRM versions in the mobos themselves, e.g., buy an early Slot1 motherboard and you cant use your late Coppermine CPU.

So yeah, I don't agree with your initial statement.

myne wrote on 2025-05-05, 09:55:

I suggest you look into the compatibility issues before asserting something so strongly.

Thanks for the suggestion, there are probably compatibility issues I'm not aware of.
Can you give a few examples of what may go wrong?

slivercr wrote on 2025-05-05, 13:52:

dionb wrote on 2025-05-05, 09:24:

They're functionally and electrically identical, supporting the same CPU types. Only difference is the form factor.

Hmmm no.
- They're not functionally identical, e.g., Slot1 caters mostly to early Celeron, P2 and P3; 370 caters mostly to later Celerons and P3.

The only CPUs that cannot be run on both form factors are the external cache P2/P3 (and cacheless Covington) CPUs, and they *could* run on an So370 if anyone had been crazy enough to design the necessary physical adapter.

Everything else can run on both, and where the CPUs were not released in Slot 1 form factor, they can be run on it with an appropriate slocket.

- They're not electrically identical, i.e., AGTL+ vs AGTL signaling.

That's not the difference between slot and socket but between Coppermine and Tualatin. Coppermines on socket and slot form factor use exactly the same signalling levels.

- They don't support the same CPU types, e.g., there are no Slot1 motherboards with official Tualatin support, there are no s370 motherboards with Pentium2 support.

25 years on official support is irrelevant. The question is: does it work? Tualatin will work on any slot 1 board that can supply enough current at the required voltage (which any board that complies with VRM 8.4 - i.e. with Coppermine support - can supply) unless there is a hard BIOS block, which is exception, not rule. Tualatin is completely tolerant of Coppermine signalling level.

Saying they're equal may lead a user asking for advice (like above) to buy a motherboard that can't support the CPU they have.
And its not even only about the signaling, but also VRM versions in the mobos themselves, e.g., buy an early Slot1 motherboard and you cant use your late Coppermine CPU.

Same applies to early So370 boards, you need VRM 8.4 for Coppermine either way - in fact with So370 there are three different pinouts (PPGA, FC-PGA and FC-PGA2) to deal with, whereas the Slot 1 pinout hasn't changed so that's one *less* thing you have to worry about compared to So370.

Randomly buying a board is never a good idea, with So370 just as much as with Slot 1.

Well, it depends, and remembering that Voodoo 2 aren't specially demanding a Pentium II/III 450 Mhz may be the most equilibrated combo. I'll choose Slot 1 w/ some adapter for S370 CPUs if you wish. I mean, it's perfect and even slightly overkill for something like a W95 rig.

isaacx0 wrote on 2025-05-05, 15:27:

Well, it depends, and remembering that Voodoo 2 aren't specially demanding a Pentium II/III 450 Mhz may be the most equilibrated combo. I'll choose Slot 1 w/ some adapter for S370 CPUs if you wish. I mean, it's perfect and even slightly overkill for something like a W95 rig.

Thanks for sharing your impressions. Yes a classic slot1 mainboard like the asus p2b would be a cool partner for the voodoo 2 definitely.

What would be the fastest p3 cpu hat would into such slot 1 mobo board? A early coppermine or do only p3 katmai would make sense?

From my testing, Voodoo IIs scale very well with CPU, certainly up to 1GHz+ with SLI.

My fast SLI Voodoo II rig is Slot 1 based, but using a Tualatin 1.4 P3 in a Powerleap IP3-t, in an Asus P3B-F.

If I hadn’t been fortunate enough to drop onto a Powerleap adapter, I’d be rocking my 1GHz (133fsb) Slot 1 Coppermine, or possibly my 800MHz (100fsb) Slot 1 Coppermine if it would run at 133x8.

paradigital wrote on 2025-05-05, 16:30:

From my testing, Voodoo IIs scale very well with CPU, certainly up to 1GHz+ with SLI.

My fast SLI Voodoo II rig is Slot 1 based, but using a Tualatin 1.4 P3 in a Powerleap IP3-t, in an Asus P3B-F.

If I hadn’t been fortunate enough to drop onto a Powerleap adapter, I’d be rocking my 1GHz (133fsb) Slot 1 Coppermine, or possibly my 800MHz (100fsb) Slot 1 Coppermine if it would run at 133x8.

Thanks for the clarfication. Good to know that the v2 is quite good with scaling moving to Tualatin would be possible. i am not sure if trying to work with sloket adapters is something I would feel confident enough to work with.

Having a system in the p3 800mhz to 1 ghz coppermine range on the other hand would be interesting.