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First post, by manic232

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First off this is my PC:

ASRock P4i65G Socket 478 Motherboard with Intel 865G Chipset (8X AGP Slot)
P4 2.4GHz Socket 478 Northwood CPU 800Mhz FSB
Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600
Sound Blaster Live! 5.1, Model SB0100
512MB (2 X 256MB) DDR400 (PC3200) Dual Chanel RAM
Creative CD Rom Drive
750W PSU
Windows 98SE

It is a great PC, Win 98 runs great, very stable and games run like a dream, but...

The issue is this, my floppy drive was working just fine, then one day out of know where it just stopped! The drive is recognised in Windows 98, but when you insert a floppy it tries to read it but fails with a read error. It will not work outside of windows either, i.e. won't boot from a bootable floppy.

The paranormal part is this, I have 3 other floppy drives and they all exhibit the same problem. My initial thoughts was the motherboard, so I got a replacement, same make and model and the same issue persists! What the heck! It really is a head scratcher. I can't believe I have 3 floppy drives all with the same issue or two motherboards with the same issue.

The only hardware I have changed recently is the sound card, I changed it from a Aureal Vortex 2 to the Sound blaster Live (SB0100), but I find it hard to believe that is the problem here.

Can anyone offer me any advise on how to trouble shoot this?

Thank you.

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 1 of 16, by konc

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If you want to troubleshoot start from the bare minimum. It is indeed unlikely that both motherboards and three drives have the same issue.
Put a motherboard on the table, connect the absolutely minimum required. Use a different cable for the floppy, different PSU, reset BIOS etc and just try to boot from a known-working disk.
The common mistake in these efforts is to assume something is fine or can't affect anything, don't take anything for granted.

Reply 2 of 16, by manic232

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Thanks konc, I will do that

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 3 of 16, by DaveDDS

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Most likely it's "something software"

Do you have another system supporting a floppy drive.
If so, I'd try moving each drive to that system and confirm that they all work!

Then I'd make a simple bootable DOS disk (I don't know about later. but at least up to XP you could
make a DOS bootable disk - if you can't make one directly, there are other ways ... let us know the system/OS)

Once you get a bootable DOS disk, see if it will boot on the problem system - then see if you can
read/write files on the floppy within DOS - this would at least let you know if the system hardware is working!

Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal

Reply 4 of 16, by manic232

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Thank you for your suggestions, I will report back

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 5 of 16, by Joakim

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just a thought, have you tried a different floppy cable? These things have been bent and worn over a couple of decades by now

Reply 6 of 16, by manic232

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Joakim wrote on 2025-06-21, 09:42:

just a thought, have you tried a different floppy cable? These things have been bent and worn over a couple of decades by now

Yes, 3 in fact! 🤣

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 7 of 16, by EduBat

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(Stupid question... The drive is configured correctly in the BIOS, right?)

Reply 8 of 16, by manic232

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EduBat wrote on 2025-06-21, 16:11:

(Stupid question... The drive is configured correctly in the BIOS, right?)

Well, I did look in the BIOS, but there is no really much to change re the Floppy, plus I have had the PC for years without any trouble and I have made no change to the BIOS at all. It is enabled though.

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 9 of 16, by Jo22

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Hi, in Control Panel -> System you can put drives in MS-DOS compatibility mode.
As the name implies, it should make DOS or BIOS (16-Bit Real-Mode code) control the drives..

Edit: Checkit has a drive test, too, I think.

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In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

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Reply 10 of 16, by manic232

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You are not going to believe this, the flipping thing is blinking well working again now!! I don't know what I did, nothing I was trying worked and now as if by magic it decided to work!! What the bleep!

Thank you all for your comments and help it is greatly appreciated. Vogons is the best.

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 11 of 16, by Joakim

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Hmm.. hate it when things fix itself.. You kind of want to know what you did wrong 🤣. maybe a change of humidity? :-p

Reply 12 of 16, by manic232

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Joakim wrote on 2025-06-22, 14:23:

Hmm.. hate it when things fix itself.. You kind of want to know what you did wrong 🤣. maybe a change of humidity? :-p

🤣, yer I know. I have had this before where things just start randomly working after being broken for a while, very annoying but at the same time I'm glad It's working again.

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 13 of 16, by DaveDDS

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manic232 wrote on 2025-06-22, 10:04:

You are not going to believe this, the flipping thing is blinking well working again now!! ...

Always "fun".
Perhaps the cleanings did have an effect, it just took things a while to internally recover.

While it is working, I strongly recommend you make (and test) a bootable DOS diskette as I described in my last post.
(and perhaps put ImageDisk on it) - then write protect it!

That way you will have a known working test resource in case problems resurface.

Dave ::: https://dunfield.themindfactory.com ::: "Daves Old Computers"->Personal

Reply 14 of 16, by manic232

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Thanks DaveDDS, that is a great idea.

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1

Reply 16 of 16, by manic232

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DaveDDS wrote on 2025-06-25, 02:25:

Just posted this which might be on interest:

Bootable diagnostics disk

Thanks so much for that DaveDDS, I will have a look at that and see how I get on.

My System: ASRock P4i65G MB, Win98SE, P4 2.4GHz, 512MB Ram, Nvidia GeForce 4 TI 4600, Sound Blaster Live! 5.1