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First post, by AjaxIronside

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Hello!

Firstly, I'm sorry if I'm making posts too quickly back-to-back. Y'all were so helpful with the video issue I was coming across yesterday and today, and now that that is solved I'm ready to try to tackle the second hurdle.

The PS/Valuepoint 433SX/D that I'm working on came with a single stick of 4MB RAM that I would like to upgrade. It has the number THM361020ASG-70 on it, which I am to understand is: Toshiba 4MB SIMM DRAM Memory THM361020ASG-70 80ns 72-pin.

What I have purchased is three sticks of IBM 4MB, 1Mx36 RAM Module 11D1360BA-70 SIMM Parity Memory 72-pin 11E1360BA 70ns. From what I can tell, these sticks should function identically to the one that is already in my computer. I have tried:

  • Using all four of the sticks (the new three and the existing one) at once
  • Using just the three new ones
  • Using just one of the new ones (I tried all three, one at a time) with the other three slots empty
  • Using two of the new sticks at a time
  • Using one old stick and one new stick

What I know about this computer is:

  • It is designed to only need one stick of RAM, so having just one in there should not be a problem. It works just fine (but without enough RAM to do much other than run Windows or play Wolfenstein 3d) with the single 4MB stick installed.

With any of the above variants, the exact same things happen:
- At the POST screen the computer attempts to check the RAM, and it only gets to 3900-ish KB (which is normal)
- Two beeps, memory error (201) and memory size error (164) (this is expected, I did switch the RAM after all)
- Go into setup and it shows 16000KB under "memory." I cannot change this number, and it's certainly inaccurate - it is exactly 16000kb for every combination I listed above.
- Trying to save and exit reboots, gives me the error again, but boots back into DOS. But I only have 4MB of ram available to me no matter how many sticks or what combination are in there.

I did a lot of Googling and the only thing that I've seen to try other than cleaning, reseating, changing configurations, etc. was to take out the CMOS battery for a short period and unplug the computer to make sure no old settings lingered. I tried that but all I got were the same issues but also no improvement.

It could be that after all this time all three of the sticks I bought are dead - but considering the computer does boot with each of them (just with the above issues) that doesn't seem like the case? Also for all three of them to have degraded in the exact same way also seems strange to me? But what do I know?

Attaching photos for reference. Any help at all is greatly appreciated! Thanks so much.

Reply 1 of 3, by rmay635703

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So the machine runs fine with the original stick by itself?

It’s possible that you need to reset your cmos and install a new battery (not in that order necessarily)

Once reset you should be able to save.

If that isn’t the issue your new ram might not be fully IBM ps2 compliant or cooroded/damaged, or the slot(s) themselves may need to be cleaned and reflowed (any battery damage or coorsion?)

On an off topic…
Not that this would help but make sure you turn off memory relocation if it’s present in the bios. On the machines I own “of a particular age” it seems to be enabled on systems with 4mb or less, when I install 8mb or more I seem to get trouble.

I would also recommend enabling if it’s present something along the lines of 16mb memory hole, won’t help your issue but a good idea.

Reply 2 of 3, by AjaxIronside

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Gotcha, thanks for the feedback. Since I've reset my CMOS and replaced the battery already, I guess maybe this RAM just isn't right for the machine? I'm struggling to figure out why, though - it is 72-pin parity SIMM RAM, 1M x 36...

Any ideas of what different thing I should be looking for?

Reply 3 of 3, by jakethompson1

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IBM PS/2s and clones had some differences in how 72-pin SIMMs identified themselves. See: https://www.ardent-tool.com/memory/Identifica … ts_IBM_Industry

Your PS/ValuePoint, despite the IBM logo, is a clone. But, IBM said your 433SX/D can take either IBM or industry-standard parity SIMMs: https://www.infania.net/misc/psref/vpbook.pdf and that ability was lost in later models like 433SX/Dp

There is a Usenet post suggesting that those 11E1360BA worked in PS/2s: https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.ibm.ps2. … /m/xq3CMQhjQD0J

Anyway, I had a 425SX/D about 20 years ago. I believe I upgraded it from 4MB to 12MB. I don't even remember having to use parity RAM, but maybe I happened to have an 8MB parity SIMM (or two 4MB) and that's why I didn't upgrade it to even more.