Im looking for M$ mouse drivers v8.20 or v9.01.
I found v9.01 on the archive but its a .imz file that doesnt seem to want to write to floppy disk properly, at least not with rawwrite

Can anybody help?

Edit
Never mind I found v8.20 unde the Mitsumi name which seems to be working 😀

mkarcher wrote on 2025-06-20, 17:09:

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-20, 16:33:

What do you mean you have to configure each game to use the sound card?

Many DOS games have an executable called "INSTALL", "SETUP", "SETSOUND" or something like that that needs to be invoked to select which sound card the game is supposed to use. Other games rely on the BLASTER variable to be set. There also are games that have the sound setup included in the game menu.

In the case of HeroQuest (if you are talking about the 1991 DOS game), the "INTRO.EXE" file seems to contain the code to let you select a sound device (like internal speaker or AdLib). The SoundBlaster 16 is compatible to the AdLib card. It also contains the error message "Configuration file missing, type 'hero' to set configuration", so possibly a way to enter the setup is to delete quest.cfg and then run hero.

When I run Intro.exe it runs through the intro to the game then returns to the DOS prompt
When I run Hero.exe it runs Intro.exe and then when its finishes it runs Quest.exe
When I run Quest.exe to jumps straight into the game

There doesnt seem to be any options to set the sound card from Quest.exe

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-21, 00:45:

I see...
The system came with DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 already installed.
I would need to buy DOS and Windows before I can install it myself.

Sorry I linked the wrong thing. But what I previously had would let you fully install DOS off that single downloadable floppy image. As for buying DOS or Windows, neither are supported or sold from Microsoft anymore. If you already have it on your machine just go ahead and reinstall it if you never need to. You do not need original media.

Here's what I meant to post. You won't need a MS Mouse driver. This includes a generic mouse driver that will work and take up less memory. I really recommend reading through the guides on Phil's site and watching some of his videos. It sounds like you're very new to using DOS and he has things to help make life easier.

https://www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-starter-pack.html

SScorpio wrote on 2025-06-21, 13:19:

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-21, 00:45:

I see...
The system came with DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 already installed.
I would need to buy DOS and Windows before I can install it myself.

Sorry I linked the wrong thing. But what I previously had would let you fully install DOS off that single downloadable floppy image. As for buying DOS or Windows, neither are supported or sold from Microsoft anymore. If you already have it on your machine just go ahead and reinstall it if you never need to. You do not need original media.

Here's what I meant to post. You won't need a MS Mouse driver. This includes a generic mouse driver that will work and take up less memory. I really recommend reading through the guides on Phil's site and watching some of his videos. It sounds like you're very new to using DOS and he has things to help make life easier.

https://www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-starter-pack.html

Yeah we never used DOS at all.
I remember a place I worked had Windows 3.11 but DOS was just the screen before Windows started kinda thing. Ive never been interested in it at all really, until I realised some of the games I remember playing are DOS games so we must have had it.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-21, 21:26:

Yeah we never used DOS at all.
I remember a place I worked had Windows 3.11 but DOS was just the screen before Windows started kinda thing. Ive never been interested in it at all really, until I realised some of the games I remember playing are DOS games so we must have had it.

Windows 3.11 was more of a shell over DOS. It's a very different beast than later OSes. With the DOS starter pack Phil made he did most of the heavy lifting for you. But you still need to configure each game individually, and wait until you try something that very restrictive on its requirements.

I cant find the "tool" that allows you to configure the sound card.

Im going to remove it and try installing it again.
Maybe I missed it during the install stage.

try <game executable> /?, for example, hero /? to see options, if exists
Some games you set options like this

I decided to try HeroQuest and see what happened on my computer (486 DX/33).

If I run QUEST.EXE, it complains about a missing config file and says to run HERO.EXE. Running either INTRO.EXE or HERO.EXE and a menu appears prompting different options (graphics, sound, controls).

My guess is that in absence of a config file, it will automatically prompt for configuration options. If it's not doing that, there might already be a config file created.

LoStSOul wrote on 2025-06-22, 10:32:

try <game executable> /?, for example, hero /? to see options, if exists
Some games you set options like this

Tried this, there don't appear to be any command line switches for this game.

Shponglefan wrote on 2025-06-22, 10:57:

LoStSOul wrote on 2025-06-22, 10:32:

try <game executable> /?, for example, hero /? to see options, if exists
Some games you set options like this

Tried this, there don't appear to be any command line switches for this game.

I have the original disks but I dont get that at all.
What file is on the floppy that I need to change or remove?

I deleted quest.cfg and I get the options you made a screenshot of

First WOW!
The music sounds cool!
If you play this in DOSBox you will hear what I have been listening to and...
But now once the intro finishes it tells me there is insufficient memory and returns to a DOS prompt.

I think the system has 8Mb RAM

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-22, 11:12:

But now once the intro finishes it tells me there is insufficient memory and returns to a DOS prompt.

I think the system has 8Mb RAM

It probably needs more conventional memory. Conventional refers to the first 640k of memory, which is often used by drivers and background programs launched during startup.

Can you run MEM.EXE and either take a picture or just list how much conventional memory is free? It should be the first line on the right.

Below is a screenshot of the results of my own 486. I have 605k of free conventional memory. I don't get an insufficient memory error on mine.

Looked up copy of the DOS game requirement, it looks like it requires at least 580k of conventional memory.

Mind you this is from a CD version of the game, not sure if the floppy version if different.

This is mine 😀

https://imgur.com/a/AB96Q2N

What is strange is when it was using the PC speaker I could play the game

DOS is quite the odyssey.

Ive got it working now and it sounds amazing!

I removed the M$ mouse, installed another one called CTMouse v2.1 and its running.
Just need to add the mouse driver into the bat and I think it will be good.

Thank you for all the help, couldnt have done it without you guys 😀

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-22, 12:23:

This is mine 😀

https://imgur.com/a/AB96Q2N

What is strange is when it was using the PC speaker I could play the game

Ouch, that's why I recommended giving Unisound a look. UNISOUND - Universal ISA PnP Sound Card Driver for DOS v0.82a

It's very likely your sound card has some drivers sticking around taking up space.

Ctmouse which you're using is much more optimized than the official driver so it will free up memory. But if your sound card is supported by Unisound, then the overhead of sound card drivers can go away. The card will get initialized and then exit out.

Phil's MS-DOS Starter Pack includes ctmouse, and a more optimized CDROM driver. But the rest of the magic is just a menu that lets you select different configurations. You can get a mouse and sound working and have over 630KB of free conventional memory which meets the needs of the most challenging games.

SScorpio wrote on 2025-06-22, 15:48:

Ouch, that's why I recommended giving Unisound a look. UNISOUND - Universal ISA PnP Sound Card Driver for DOS v0.82a […]
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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-22, 12:23:

This is mine 😀

https://imgur.com/a/AB96Q2N

What is strange is when it was using the PC speaker I could play the game

Ouch, that's why I recommended giving Unisound a look. UNISOUND - Universal ISA PnP Sound Card Driver for DOS v0.82a

It's very likely your sound card has some drivers sticking around taking up space.

Ctmouse which you're using is much more optimized than the official driver so it will free up memory. But if your sound card is supported by Unisound, then the overhead of sound card drivers can go away. The card will get initialized and then exit out.

Phil's MS-DOS Starter Pack includes ctmouse, and a more optimized CDROM driver. But the rest of the magic is just a menu that lets you select different configurations. You can get a mouse and sound working and have over 630KB of free conventional memory which meets the needs of the most challenging games.

Yeah you see I didnt realise why the low memory use of these drivers was so important.
I didnt know that everything has to sit into the first 640k of memory. Ive never really been interested in DOS until now so never really paid much attention to it all. I thought you just added memory to the system via sticks of RAM and that was it just like in Windows.

The system doesnt have a CDROM drive, I will be fitting a 5.25" floppy drive to the empty bay as most of the games I want to play on it come on either 3.5" or 5.25" floppies.
At some point I may add a CDROM over the parallel port... Or maybe over SCSI I dont know what way I will do it. I have a Pioneer DRM-624X 6 disc changer I use now with Windows 98 but I have the DOS drivers for it on floppy disc (it came with all the software) but now I see the importance of 640k I dont know because you cant increase that number by adding RAM, only moving drivers into higher memory space.

Ill be buying myself DOS6.22 and Windows 3.11 on floppy disk at some point in the near future from ebay, at which point I will play around with the boot floppy you mentioned.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-23, 00:55:

I didnt know that everything has to sit into the first 640k of memory. Ive never really been interested in DOS until now so never really paid much attention to it all. I thought you just added memory to the system via sticks of RAM and that was it just like in Windows.

If you use a memory manager like EMM386 or others, you can put drivers and TSR (terminate & stay resident) programs into upper memory. This frees up conventional memory for games or programs.

In the screenshot of my memory config I posted above, you can see I have 91kb of upper memory and am using 85kb of it, instead of conventional memory.

A big challenge running DOS is memory management and trying to optimize configurations to squeeze out every last kilobyte.

Shponglefan wrote on 2025-06-23, 01:16:

If you use a memory manager like EMM386 or others, you can put drivers and TSR (terminate & stay resident) programs into upper m […]
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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-23, 00:55:

I didnt know that everything has to sit into the first 640k of memory. Ive never really been interested in DOS until now so never really paid much attention to it all. I thought you just added memory to the system via sticks of RAM and that was it just like in Windows.

If you use a memory manager like EMM386 or others, you can put drivers and TSR (terminate & stay resident) programs into upper memory. This frees up conventional memory for games or programs.

In the screenshot of my memory config I posted above, you can see I have 91kb of upper memory and am using 85kb of it, instead of conventional memory.

A big challenge running DOS is memory management and trying to optimize configurations to squeeze out every last kilobyte.

Yes I did read you can elevate drivers into the upper memory space but I didnt know how.
From where do I get EMM386?

I will have to get it and have a look at it.
Would that work with the Microsoft mouse driver and Creative drivers I have or do they need to stay in the first 640k?

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-23, 01:23:

Yes I did read you can elevate drivers into the upper memory space but I didnt know how. From where do I get EMM386? […]
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Yes I did read you can elevate drivers into the upper memory space but I didnt know how.
From where do I get EMM386?

I will have to get it and have a look at it.
Would that work with the Microsoft mouse driver and Creative drivers I have or do they need to stay in the first 640k?

Again, go to this site it shows you exactly what you need to do. You can do this with the setup you already have without needing to buy anything else.

https://www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-starter-pack.html

Read the config.sys and autoexec.bat lines that are listed. It's using the upper memory space, either do a straight copy or incorporate it manually into your setup.

SScorpio wrote on 2025-06-23, 01:52:

Again, go to this site it shows you exactly what you need to do. You can do this with the setup you already have without needing […]
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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2025-06-23, 01:23:

Yes I did read you can elevate drivers into the upper memory space but I didnt know how. From where do I get EMM386? […]
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Yes I did read you can elevate drivers into the upper memory space but I didnt know how.
From where do I get EMM386?

I will have to get it and have a look at it.
Would that work with the Microsoft mouse driver and Creative drivers I have or do they need to stay in the first 640k?

Again, go to this site it shows you exactly what you need to do. You can do this with the setup you already have without needing to buy anything else.

https://www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-starter-pack.html

Read the config.sys and autoexec.bat lines that are listed. It's using the upper memory space, either do a straight copy or incorporate it manually into your setup.

I want to buy it.
I obtained it in the manner everybody else did, but I want to have a genuine copy of it this time round 😀

In fact I wouldnt mind finding it on a 5.25" floppy.