VOGONS


First post, by GigAHerZ

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First, I'm sorry, if it is a wrong place or forum. But i feel this is exactly the correct place and this petition is very relevant to everything we do here in this forum.

This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.

Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.

The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/

You may want to check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMe9MxxZiI

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

(I know something similar has been going on for a while on the other side of the "great pond", too.)

Last edited by GigAHerZ on 2025-06-26, 10:06. Edited 2 times in total.

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Reply 1 of 21, by GL1zdA

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I've just signed it, the initiative already reached the threshold in 5 countries and should soon reach the threshold in the required 7 countries. But we are still far from 1,000,000 required signatures, so more are needed. I don't know how it works in other countries, but in Poland signing it is super easy, you just log in with our "notational ID" and it's done.

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Reply 3 of 21, by igna78

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Ok I signed it and I hope that this iniziative will be law

Reply 4 of 21, by leileilol

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I feel this'll just end up with MMOs no longer allowing connections from Europe.

DISCLOSURE: i'm USA and this is my 2 cents.

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Reply 5 of 21, by BitWrangler

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They'll be like "Dude, didn't you read the TOS, we don't even guarantee we release them in a playable state" 🤣

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Reply 6 of 21, by GigAHerZ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIfRLujXtUo
... and a bunch of responses from different authors. There's way more, can't bring anything out to here.

Details

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sJpTCitKqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTp4Am51i0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmU5gcttf1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnolgHHqdIk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAFZnJPtvDg

PirateSoftware probably maliciously (my opinion - I see him as big game corp shill) lied and deceived. And he had a big (negative) effect on this initiative. (For example two post up from this one, leileilol is just parroting this same lies. Hopefully accidentally, not deliberately.)
It's the last time now to repent and find salvation by going here and doing what is right: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/
Not much time has left...

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!
A little about software engineering: https://byteaether.github.io/

Reply 7 of 21, by leileilol

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GigAHerZ wrote on 2025-06-26, 07:05:

. (For example two post up from this one, leileilol is just parroting this same lies. Hopefully accidentally, not deliberately.)

never heard of them. also my 2cents are from a year ago so

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Reply 8 of 21, by GigAHerZ

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leileilol wrote on 2025-06-26, 07:27:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2025-06-26, 07:05:

. (For example two post up from this one, leileilol is just parroting this same lies. Hopefully accidentally, not deliberately.)

never heard of them. also my 2cents are from a year ago so

Maybe non-direct pollination with wrong and bad lies. I can't know how you made up your mind. But the result is that you suggested something that is not part of the petition, yet is part of the slander.
The petition text has not changed between your 2 cents and now.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!
A little about software engineering: https://byteaether.github.io/

Reply 9 of 21, by Lutsoad

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It says I have to sign with my ID number and full name, all my personal data is linked with those. No thanks.

Reply 10 of 21, by GigAHerZ

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Lutsoad wrote on 2025-06-26, 08:11:

It says I have to sign with my ID number and full name, all my personal data is linked with those. No thanks.

In my country at least, this is not private information. Or are you afraid that some organizations somehow hack the EU relevant agency and start harrassing all the people who signed it?
There needs to be a possiblity to validate each signature. This is basic EU process, it is not stop killing games' website. All citizens' initiatives work the same here.

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!
A little about software engineering: https://byteaether.github.io/

Reply 11 of 21, by Lutsoad

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GigAHerZ wrote on 2025-06-26, 08:21:

In my country at least, this is not private information.

The ID # and name can be used to steal identity by creating a fake copy that matches the government database. It can be used in various scams like registering SIM cards used by shady people, buying goods in your name, opening fake accounts and even commit tax fraud.
It's not a public information in most countries.

Reply 12 of 21, by GigAHerZ

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Lutsoad wrote on 2025-06-26, 08:27:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2025-06-26, 08:21:

In my country at least, this is not private information.

The ID # and name can be used to steal identity by creating a fake copy that matches the government database. It can be used in various scams like registering SIM cards used by shady people, buying goods in your name, opening fake accounts and even commit tax fraud.
It's not a public information in most countries.

No need to worry - your government and therefore EU already has your name and ID number. It's a lost cause. 😜

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." - And i intend to get every last bit out of it even after loading every damn driver!
A little about software engineering: https://byteaether.github.io/

Reply 13 of 21, by Lutsoad

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GigAHerZ wrote on 2025-06-26, 08:31:

No need to worry - your government and therefore EU already has your name and ID number. It's a lost cause. 😜

That's right but not the Russian or Ukrainian government that loves to hack EU countries when it suits them. 😉
I'm sorry but I'm paranoid about my personal data in an age where everything I have is linked to them. I'm happy to give them my name or verified e-mail but never my ID. Those should be enough.

Reply 14 of 21, by RandomStranger

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Lutsoad wrote on 2025-06-26, 08:49:
GigAHerZ wrote on 2025-06-26, 08:31:

No need to worry - your government and therefore EU already has your name and ID number. It's a lost cause. 😜

That's right but not the Russian or Ukrainian government that loves to hack EU countries when it suits them. 😉
I'm sorry but I'm paranoid about my personal data in an age where everything I have is linked to them. I'm happy to give them my name or verified e-mail but never my ID. Those should be enough.

Those of your data are already out at several service providers. Your banks, your ISP, cellphone, various insurance companies. This petition is probably not the least secure place to have that data. And believe me, I'm very privacy conscious.

As for the petition itself, today it got past 1M. It's better to have some more to make up for invalid signatures, but at least we got past the hard part.

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Reply 15 of 21, by The Serpent Rider

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past the hard part.

I'm not so optimistic about it. Very possible that this will just end up in bureaucratic hell.

I must be some kind of standard: the anonymous gangbanger of the 21st century.

Reply 17 of 21, by RandomStranger

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2025-07-03, 17:47:

past the hard part.

I'm not so optimistic about it. Very possible that this will just end up in bureaucratic hell.

It's the EU. Of course it will. But the EU has a good track record of fucking with large companies to the benefit of customers. I wouldn't expect any directive or regulation to come into effect in the next 3-5 years. Mandatory user replaceable batteries for mobile devices will come into effect in 2027 and the law was passed 2 years ago.

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Reply 18 of 21, by Tiido

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I gave my vote near the beginning and then forgot about it. Later on I found out I had already given my vote when I was trying to do it again 🤣
I'm happy this reached that 1 million, hopefully eventually something good comes out of it ~

T-04YBSC, a new YMF71x based sound card & Official VOGONS thread about it
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Reply 19 of 21, by chinny22

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I'm doubtful but I hope it gets acted on.

MMO's by their nature do have a limited lifespan, its the online activation servers required for single player games (or any software) have always been my concern.
Would much prefer say 1 final patch that removes activation requirement before the servers are turned off.
Fully understand why this never happens, software companies will rightly focus on the currant products that are generating money.
But you then can't complain about the community hacking said software.

Just as VW no longer support my 74 beetle, but they also don't threaten legal action when I replace parts that have long been out of production with aftermarket alternatives.

The community revival of the original Xbox Live service is a good example of what can be achieved. Would be nice not to have the constant threat of legal action hanging over the project