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First post, by DustyShinigami

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I'm struggling to work out how I can back up some of my game CDs that have copy protection. I'm using Alcohol 120% and some of the options don't work, sadly. Or I'm not sure what the right presets should be. One good example is the first disc of The Settlers 3. I got hold of ProtectionID and that says it has PE Crypt 1.0...? After the lengthy scan, I'm guessing that's what it is. If I try the Securom or StarForce, it'll get to around 60% whereby it reports reading errors. I also tried copying and pasting the files from the disc to my HDD to make an image from that, but it didn't work. It got to about 95% before it struggled to go any further.

Also, those different presets, like Securom, can only be made using MD5/F or cdd...? But if a game has redbook audio, don't they definitely need to be CUE/BIN files? And if so, how can this be achieved?

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OS: Windows 98 SE
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Reply 1 of 10, by TheMLGladiator

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Read errors are normal for many types of CD copy protection. Just compare the number of read errors to the number on redump.org and you should be good. Securom disks will need MDS/MDF. It contains everything a CUE/BIN set has in addition to some extra stuff.

Reply 2 of 10, by DustyShinigami

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TheMLGladiator wrote on Today, 15:35:

Read errors are normal for many types of CD copy protection. Just compare the number of read errors to the number on redump.org and you should be good. Securom disks will need MDS/MDF. It contains everything a CUE/BIN set has in addition to some extra stuff.

Hmm. I tried just the regular Securom and the files as MDF, but again, it got to 60%, came up with a disc read error, and cancelled the operation itself.
🙁 Looking on redump.org, it doesn't appear to list any errors at all.

http://redump.org/disc/78471/

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Slot 1 Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/128MB Geforce 4 Ti 4200
Motherboard: ABit AB-BE6-II Intel 440BX
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live Value CT4670

Reply 3 of 10, by wierd_w

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This image is lifted from the alcohol 120% electronic user's manual. I hope fair use qualifies.

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Note that on the image creation dialog window, 'skip read errors' exists.

It exists for this reason.

You can find said manual here.

https://support.alcohol-soft.com/documentatio … user-manual.pdf

In the event that these are *actual data defects*, and not copy ptotection factory-made bad blocks, I would advise the slowest read speed possible, AND, holding the disc up to a light to check for pinpricks in the top surface of the disc.

Reply 4 of 10, by DustyShinigami

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wierd_w wrote on Today, 16:16:
This image is lifted from the alcohol 120% electronic user's manual. I hope fair use qualifies. […]
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This image is lifted from the alcohol 120% electronic user's manual. I hope fair use qualifies.

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Note that on the image creation dialog window, 'skip read errors' exists.

It exists for this reason.

You can find said manual here.

https://support.alcohol-soft.com/documentatio … user-manual.pdf

Yeah, that's usually ticked anyway for me. Especially after choosing one of the presets. It makes no difference though. It gets stuck at 60.5% every time with read error after read error. I checked the disc and it's immaculate, too.

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OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Slot 1 Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/128MB Geforce 4 Ti 4200
Motherboard: ABit AB-BE6-II Intel 440BX
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live Value CT4670

Reply 5 of 10, by leileilol

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Personally I don't trust alcohol to not fuck with the redbook so it's been CloneCD/DVD for me with my game discs (bin/cue/ccd/sub). Very protected games tend to be more post-redbook though

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Reply 6 of 10, by DustyShinigami

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I've given up at this point. Nothing I've tried works. And I can't even do it on my main PC with ImgBurn and copying/pasting the files directly off the disc. 🙁

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Slot 1 Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/128MB Geforce 4 Ti 4200
Motherboard: ABit AB-BE6-II Intel 440BX
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live Value CT4670

Reply 7 of 10, by TheMLGladiator

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leileilol wrote on Today, 16:37:

Personally I don't trust alcohol to not fuck with the redbook so it's been CloneCD/DVD for me with my game discs (bin/cue/ccd/sub). Very protected games tend to be more post-redbook though

Alcohol doesn't handle multi-bin sets correctly either. I'll have to give CloneCD a shot sometime.

Reply 8 of 10, by DustyShinigami

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I'll give CloneCD/DVD a try next. 😀

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Slot 1 Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/128MB Geforce 4 Ti 4200
Motherboard: ABit AB-BE6-II Intel 440BX
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live Value CT4670

Reply 9 of 10, by NeoG_

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If you are using Alcohol 120% Retro Edition on windows 98, it is missing a few features so I wouldn't count on it as a ripping and virtual drive option for copy protected discs. Most importantly it doesn't allow you to rip to or mount disc formats with subchannel data (e.g. mds/mdf and ccd/cue/sub). Those disc formats are typically required to enable copy protection emulation.

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Reply 10 of 10, by DustyShinigami

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NeoG_ wrote on Today, 21:48:

If you are using Alcohol 120% Retro Edition on windows 98, it is missing a few features so I wouldn't count on it as a ripping and virtual drive option for copy protected discs. Most importantly it doesn't allow you to rip to or mount disc formats with subchannel data (e.g. mds/mdf and ccd/cue/sub). Those disc formats are typically required to enable copy protection emulation.

Ahhhh. I see. Yeah, I'm using Retro Edition for 98. I didn't realise it was missing features. Thanks for the heads-up. 😀 Apart from trying CloneCD, which I'll do next, is there a version of Alcohol that's recommended?

OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU: Slot 1 Pentium III Coppermine 933MHz (SL448)
RAM: Kingston 256MB 133MHz
GPU: Nvidia 16MB Riva TNT/128MB Geforce 4 Ti 4200
Motherboard: ABit AB-BE6-II Intel 440BX
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Live Value CT4670