rasz_pl wrote on Yesterday, 13:58:

giantenemycat wrote on Yesterday, 13:16:

A week ago this IBM PS/1 2011

oooh such a cutie!!1 https://oldcrap.org/2021/08/30/ibm-ps-1-model-2011/
HDD might be a problem tho, some weird IBM 8bit IDE implementation using weird edge connector

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giantenemycat wrote on Yesterday, 13:16:

A week ago this IBM PS/1 2011 + monitor came up on auction, with offer available. I made an offer which they rejected...now I've won it on a bid for 20% less than what I offered last Sunday.

They made postage available. Now unless they have the original packaging, not sure how they're planning to have it all arrive intact.

The good news is (assuming your buying off eBay) is your getting whatever survives shipping for free once eBay refunds you. My guess is with some luck the PC and keyboard survives. The monitor will arrive in 1000 pieces. You should never ever ship a CRT. No good can come if it.

rasz_pl wrote on Yesterday, 13:58:

oooh such a cutie!!1 https://oldcrap.org/2021/08/30/ibm-ps-1-model-2011/
HDD might be a problem tho, some weird IBM 8bit IDE implementation using weird edge connector

It's just a weird thing in general. Even the RAM is some proprietary type.

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on Yesterday, 18:31:

The good news is (assuming your buying off eBay) is your getting whatever survives shipping for free once eBay refunds you. My guess is with some luck the PC and keyboard survives. The monitor will arrive in 1000 pieces. You should never ever ship a CRT. No good can come if it.

Shortly after I posted here I messaged him, asking if he had the original boxes, and not to worry about dispatch time too much so he could pack it welll. Also asking if he would be driving down my way any time soon, so we could meet at least halfway and bypass posting, which he could not. He said it might take longer than the deadline dispatch of Wednesday, but "won’t let it ship unless it’s fully protected in every respect".

Then a couple hours ago, get a notification. Dispatched, then a message: "Hi, just to let you know I've managed to package up the IBM tonight in a large removals box, with foam padding either end of the monitor and more between monitor and CPU. There's then further packaging around everything to try and prevent any movement. I'll also make sure it's labelled as Heavy, Fragile and to be handled with care "this way up".

Yeah...if this arrives in any less than a million pieces, I'll be blown away. It is low risk on my end, especially as I only paid £93 incl. postage. But as I understand, the 2011 PS/1 needs this monitor to actually power on, or at least one in that series. And parts-wise, it's mostly all proprietary and not much use to scavenge. Honestly, considering how much he must be paying to ship this as well, I would have advised him tomorrow to cancel so he could re-list for local collection only. Too late now. He'd definitely get a fair bit more than what I paid for it, if listed as BIN for a little while.

giantenemycat wrote on Today, 00:07:

Shortly after I posted here I messaged him, asking if he had the original boxes, and not to worry about dispatch time too much so he could pack it welll. Also asking if he would be driving down my way any time soon, so we could meet at least halfway and bypass posting, which he could not. Said it might take longer than the deadline dispatch of Wednesday, but he "won’t let it ship unless it’s fully protected in every respect".

For something like that, I would ask them to double box it. Items go into a box with padding, then that box goes into an even bigger box with even more padding. Ideally the first box should be "floated" inside the larger box, so that any external impacts (especially crush damage) will have as little impact on the case and/or monitor as possible.

Anything less than that is taking a big risk.

giantenemycat wrote on Today, 00:07:

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rasz_pl wrote on Yesterday, 13:58:

oooh such a cutie!!1 https://oldcrap.org/2021/08/30/ibm-ps-1-model-2011/
HDD might be a problem tho, some weird IBM 8bit IDE implementation using weird edge connector

It's just a weird thing in general. Even the RAM is some proprietary type.

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on Yesterday, 18:31:

The good news is (assuming your buying off eBay) is your getting whatever survives shipping for free once eBay refunds you. My guess is with some luck the PC and keyboard survives. The monitor will arrive in 1000 pieces. You should never ever ship a CRT. No good can come if it.

Shortly after I posted here I messaged him, asking if he had the original boxes, and not to worry about dispatch time too much so he could pack it welll. Also asking if he would be driving down my way any time soon, so we could meet at least halfway and bypass posting, which he could not. He said it might take longer than the deadline dispatch of Wednesday, but "won’t let it ship unless it’s fully protected in every respect".

Then a couple hours ago, get a notification. Dispatched, then a message: "Hi, just to let you know I've managed to package up the IBM tonight in a large removals box, with foam padding either end of the monitor and more between monitor and CPU. There's then further packaging around everything to try and prevent any movement. I'll also make sure it's labelled as Heavy, Fragile and to be handled with care "this way up".

Yeah...if this arrives in any less than a million pieces, I'll be blown away. It is low risk on my end, especially as I only paid £93 incl. postage. But as I understand, the 2011 PS/1 needs this monitor to actually power on, or at least one in that series. And parts-wise, it's mostly all proprietary and not much use to scavenge. Honestly, considering how much he must be paying to ship this as well, I would have advised him tomorrow to cancel so he could re-list for local collection only. Too late now. He'd definitely get a fair bit more than what I paid for it, if listed as BIN for a little while.

The problem with CRTs is that the weight of the glass in the tube is such its likely to sheer its internal mounting points (which are generally made of age weakened ABS plastic) if the packages decelerates or accelerates rapidly. Once that happens, you have 30+ pounds of leaded glass smashing its own casing and everything else in the package.

There is absolutely no way to safely ship a CRT. It should not be done. Straight up. Anyone that says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. The only exception is pallet freight shipping, which is how these would have been shipped to stores originally.

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on Today, 02:45:

There is absolutely no way to safely ship a CRT. It should not be done. Straight up. Anyone that says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about.

I shipped a 21" CRT across the country once several years ago and it arrived just fine. I made sure to pack it extra well with a lot of padding and wrapping and ensuring the monitor could not move at all when handling the box, so it can be done. All the CRTs I bought I picked up personally, or had someone else pick them up though, because it's a high risk for sure.

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on Today, 02:45:

There is absolutely no way to safely ship a CRT. It should not be done. Straight up. Anyone that says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about.

I've had multiple CRTs shipped that arrived without damage. In all cases they were relatively well packaged and survived the shipping process.

In each case these were smaller CRT monitors (14” or smaller). I wouldn't trust anything larger and heavier to shipping.

It's definitely a risk though, but it is possible to reduce risk of damage with appropriate packaging especially double boxing.

I dont know if I'm allowed to post this here but across europe there are a number of very good retro hardware sites

specially for us europeans there is a possibility to escape the disgusting greed that ebay has become

I personalyy stoped selling on ebay more than 20 years ago because I consider the 10% fee plus another 10+% by paypal toally unacceptable

I dream of a day where all this isolated sites can merge into a pan-european marketplace that hopefully will not go the same way as ebay

- Vatera.hu (Hungary)
- Allegrolokalnie (Poland)
- OLX (Poland, Portugal Ukeraine etc)
- Wallapop (Portugal an Spain)
- marktplaats.nl (Netherlands)
-aukro.cz (Czecha)

There are many other but there I have been able to find many interesting things at a fraction oif the ebay prices

Best regards

On this side of the pond, we have Craigslist, which got bought by eBay, so it's dying a lot of places, but still quite active in large metro areas.. Up in the frozen north we have Kijiji, which also got bought by eBay so they're probably trying to ruin it, it's plastered in commercial ads nowadays. There is some interesting vintage stuff once in a while. Another place to look at is Offerup in the US, which unfortunately consumed Letgo which was operating in Canada, but Canada side was closed down. Those were getting the odd interesting piece. Then there's facebook marketplace, which is hampered by artificial stupidity in the search feature. The other day I tried a search for Amstrad to see if there were any PPC640 around, and it insisted I wanted a hamster cage. Anyway, it's tough going trying to break eBay's stranglehold.

BitWrangler wrote on Today, 15:14:

On this side of the pond, we have Craigslist, which got bought by eBay, so it's dying a lot of places, but still quite active in large metro areas.. Up in the frozen north we have Kijiji, which also got bought by eBay so they're probably trying to ruin it, it's plastered in commercial ads nowadays. There is some interesting vintage stuff once in a while. Another place to look at is Offerup in the US, which unfortunately consumed Letgo which was operating in Canada, but Canada side was closed down. Those were getting the odd interesting piece. Then there's facebook marketplace, which is hampered by artificial stupidity in the search feature. The other day I tried a search for Amstrad to see if there were any PPC640 around, and it insisted I wanted a hamster cage. Anyway, it's tough going trying to break eBay's stranglehold.

For you guys in the US and Canada I've seen many people active on facebook groups and even facebook marketplace, unfortunatly not so much european wise

Nunoalex wrote on Today, 14:55:

I dream of a day where all this isolated sites can merge into a pan-european marketplace that hopefully will not go the same way as ebay

We have Vinted, which is active in a bunch of European countries.
But please, no. From my experience the moment such a second hand sale site goes more international prices go up and become more "professional" with special payment systems and shipping protections that either screw the seller or is just a cash grab. Basically the more international it becomes the more Ebay-esq it becomes.

As a Dutchman I like my cheap Philips stuff. I don't want Jan from 3 streets over to see some nice Philips MSX online in Romania go for quaduple the local price and then think "I can sell mine for that same price" en Jaap 2 cities over think "ohh Jan and the Romanian guy is selling his for that, now I'll sell mine for that as well".
So much of online pricing is purely based on what others are selling it for. It's quite funny, the moment you look for very rare items that aren't well known suddenly prices fluctuate hard because there often isn't a reference price available for people to copy. Sometimes there is no competition and you get it for 10 euro, sometimes you big against other collectors that don't have patience and prices suddenly shoot up.

Shponglefan wrote on Today, 13:44:

I've had multiple CRTs shipped that arrived without damage. In all cases they were relatively well packaged and survived the shipping process.

In each case these were smaller CRT monitors (14” or smaller). I wouldn't trust anything larger and heavier to shipping.

It's definitely a risk though, but it is possible to reduce risk of damage with appropriate packaging especially double boxing.

Yea, I always ask for them to take pictures of the packaging before shipping it and make sure they add a lot of packing material. But the bigger they are, the bigger the risk becomes. Best is probably having the original box and that be packaged into another box, but how many people have those these days?
Best experience I have had with those foam things that become shape fitting you sometimes see used in modern custom PC builds to hold the GPU in place while shipping. Box was full of those but the TV wouldn't go anywhere in the box and could take a good beating.

giantenemycat wrote on Today, 00:07:

rasz_pl wrote on Yesterday, 13:58:

oooh such a cutie!!1 https://oldcrap.org/2021/08/30/ibm-ps-1-model-2011/

It's just a weird thing in general. Even the RAM is some proprietary type.

I can see making a custom ram expansion board for this computer, or a clone of original if they are hard to get. 16-bit ISA riser should also be easy to make.
Another idea is mod of internal supply to support standard laptop 19V instead of monitor supplied 32V.

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote on Today, 02:45:

There is absolutely no way to safely ship a CRT. It should not be done. Straight up. Anyone that says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. The only exception is pallet freight shipping, which is how these would have been shipped to stores originally.

meh, I worked for a mayor bulk parts supplier in nineties, biggest Euro CTX monitors dealer among other things. We shipped hundreds of 14-21" CRTs every month from just my location alone using our own trucks and commercial courier services. As long as you have original styrofoam padding clamshell all is good.