jh80 wrote on 2026-05-18, 08:07:

Beerfloat wrote on 2026-05-18, 04:54:

I was ready to love it but it only mentions 60Hz support. That's ok for consoles but retro PC displays need 70Hz.
Ultra low latency and Freesync should really also be a consideration for projects like this but native 70Hz without frame drops is an absolute must.

I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that these IPS panels are being sourced from the same/similar industrial panel manufacturer that is used by Arcooda and possibly other competitors. The Arcooda ones, at least, are very expensive - like $800 USD for the 21".

These small companies don't have the capability of custom-making LCD panels. They are buying already existent industrial panels, modifying the firmware, adding custom casing, and marketing it to retro enthusiasts.

No doubt. So.. probably not advertise them as 'modern display designed specifically around retro PCs, DOS gaming', is all I'm saying.

So, it's not as simple as just adding support for 70 Hz. No current industrial 4:3 panels support it (that I know of). Arcooda does have panels that support higher refresh rate, but they are 5:4.

Life is so much easier when you come to not care about black bars on the sides and can enjoy using modern 16:9 LCDs in all their glory. There are some really attractive options out there that don't break the bank, with support for forced 4:3 and high refresh rates.

It's cool you found a solution that you like. Between Arcooda, Checkmate and these guys, and all the pricey scalers out there, there's clearly interest in retro screen technology. We're just waiting for the DOS unicorn.

16:10 in 1920x1200 was also a format that for the longest time was stuck at 60hz, but recently dell p2425 released with a 100hz panel, so things slowly starting to look up, hopefully we see a 4:3 panel that can do 70+ too

I got a 3:2 panel at 120Hz, 3840x2560 - RD280UG. I find it quite nice to display retro games, in modern systems though.

rhidvegi wrote on 2026-05-17, 10:20:

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Threads like this are honestly a big part of why we started working on Ganso.

So many people are still hunting for old Dell, HP, NEC or Eizo panels because there’s never really been a modern display designed specifically around retro PCs, DOS gaming, MiSTer FPGA and modern retro gaming setups in general.

We’ve been exploring that exact space with a modern 4:3 display project:
https://ganso.studio/

This looks like an interesting project.

If you wish for the display to be compatible with DOS PCs, then, like was mentioned already earlier, it will be critical to ensure that the display can support 70Hz input video, or DOS will be a big no-no.

To be comfortable, I'd place the limit around 75Hz (same as e.g. ASUS ProArt PA248QV and Philips Brilliance B252/09), since 70 Hz input can actually be something like 72Hz for some (S)VGA adapters. Clock crystals and set timings on PC adapters could often vary by a few hertz.

If possible, I would place the target actually even a bit higher, at 85 Hz or 90 Hz, since that is what many SVGA adapters of the time would market as "reduced eye strain" mode.

Also maybe it's just me, though I'd editorialize the marketing web page, could use a do-over. It has got the charisma of today's AI slop all over it.

"No slop. No robot tone. Only details that matter."

"The Story. The Problem. The Solution."

etc. types of phrasing are cringe 😒

I hope your project flies. Personally I use the ASUS PA248QV, and don't mind the black bars.. though definitely if there was a version of PA248QV that came in 4:3 1600x1200, I'd consider one. I'd like the bezels to be beige and blocky, and not round though.. but that is just a personal subjective take. 😀

EDIT: To update.. I have used FPGA to measure input-to-photon latency of the ASUS PA248QV vs a real CRT.. and the one thing that ASUS PA248QV has going for it is that it is extremely competitive in this area, with well less than a frame, 2-4 milliseconds of latency. This is something that will be good to measure end-to-end precisely.

mihai wrote on 2026-05-18, 20:41:

I got a 3:2 panel at 120Hz, 3840x2560 - RD280UG. I find it quite nice to display retro games, in modern systems though.

to be honest hidpi is not necessarily a bad thing, more pixels to play with means we can have more accurate integer scaling from more different low resolutions like 640x480 and 1024x768, and also run more realistic CRT filters on top... of course a retro PC won't be able to output such high resolution or run the filters though, so it will need a device in-between to do the upscaling.... but the biggest issue is that the ratio is 3:2 not 4:3

God Of Gaming wrote on 2026-05-18, 14:38:

16:10 in 1920x1200 was also a format that for the longest time was stuck at 60hz, but recently dell p2425 released with a 100hz panel, so things slowly starting to look up, hopefully we see a 4:3 panel that can do 70+ too

The main issue is that they use cheapest panels with 6-bit FRC.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2026-05-19, 11:29:

God Of Gaming wrote on 2026-05-18, 14:38:

16:10 in 1920x1200 was also a format that for the longest time was stuck at 60hz, but recently dell p2425 released with a 100hz panel, so things slowly starting to look up, hopefully we see a 4:3 panel that can do 70+ too

The main issue is that they use cheapest panels with 6-bit FRC.

That’s pretty much true of all legacy resolutions though, if it’s not high volume they just keep using the same tooling and panels forever.

I like 16:10
1200p, but unlike 1080p it’s considered just as obsolete as 1600x1200, if your willing to pay the price of admission they will sell you one and since certain business equipment went with that, they seem to stay alive.

It makes me wonder why panel makers will invest r&d to make tons of extremely strange resolutions that have to be low volume in the wierd aspect ratios and resolutions in between hd and 4k. They are likely more expensive than 4k and not in a physical store so I don’t get them , 2800x1200, what’s the point?

God Of Gaming wrote on 2026-05-18, 14:38:

16:10 in 1920x1200 was also a format that for the longest time was stuck at 60hz, but recently dell p2425 released with a 100hz panel, so things slowly starting to look up, hopefully we see a 4:3 panel that can do 70+ too

I have one of those as a low footprint screen to use in whatever computer I'm working on.
And considering the price its very good, 100Hz is just enough to get the desktop really smooth.
Its an LG panel as usual with Dell (lm240wuc-ssa1) so presumably its available in other monitors too.