hockinsk wrote on 2026-05-22, 10:56:

I'm hoping I can get Yamaha on side with it. But like many things in life, you have to show them something finished before they take it seriously haha

Do I have this right? You've not only copied their ROM data, reverse-engineered some of their software and/or hardware and are trying to create a solution that gives Yamaha-like sound without giving them anything at all, and all without prior consultation or permission, but you intend to tell them about it after the fact? It sounds like an invitation to send a cease-and-desist letter at the very least.

I am always impressed by the ingenuity shown in accomplishing the progress we see in such efforts, but to make a big deal about it, distribute the end result, and even contact the original creators of the technology about it seems bold (among other things).

tcaud wrote on Today, 06:50:

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zaphod77 wrote on Yesterday, 22:17:

I have a simple goal. playback xg composed midis correctly and at highest quality without needing to hookup an mu hardware tone […]
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I have a simple goal. playback xg composed midis correctly and at highest quality without needing to hookup an mu hardware tone generator. 😀

A good example is the ff7 PC xg soundtrack.

Yamaha is unlikely to have any interest in your project, because they already have a VSTi3 that does AWM2 (and a number of other synthesis methods). they just won't sell it to you, only providing it as a free download if you own one of their very expensive synths.

And of course they can just go to the source of their original samples.

I think you're wrong.

See https://icrowdlegal.com/safeguarding-intellec … -legal-triumph/

Including the SYXG format and emulation in MAME likely crosses the line into piracy. Moreover, it goes well beyond MAME's original mission.

This refers to ripped accompaniment data, not to the instrument samples.

But what I meant is that Yamaha is unlikely to themselves make use of this project, because they already have their own PC VST3 solution. They are not going to buy the project and sell it to customers, because they don't want to canabalize their hardware market.

If they wanted to, they could very easily whip out a VSTi for their MU- series modules, and this project isn't going to change their minds.

zaphod77 wrote on Today, 07:30:

This refers to ripped accompaniment data, not to the instrument samples. […]
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tcaud wrote on Today, 06:50:

I think you're wrong. […]
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zaphod77 wrote on Yesterday, 22:17:

I have a simple goal. playback xg composed midis correctly and at highest quality without needing to hookup an mu hardware tone […]
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I have a simple goal. playback xg composed midis correctly and at highest quality without needing to hookup an mu hardware tone generator. 😀

A good example is the ff7 PC xg soundtrack.

Yamaha is unlikely to have any interest in your project, because they already have a VSTi3 that does AWM2 (and a number of other synthesis methods). they just won't sell it to you, only providing it as a free download if you own one of their very expensive synths.

And of course they can just go to the source of their original samples.

I think you're wrong.

See https://icrowdlegal.com/safeguarding-intellec … -legal-triumph/

Including the SYXG format and emulation in MAME likely crosses the line into piracy. Moreover, it goes well beyond MAME's original mission.

This refers to ripped accompaniment data, not to the instrument samples.

But what I meant is that Yamaha is unlikely to themselves make use of this project, because they already have their own PC VST3 solution. They are not going to buy the project and sell it to customers, because they don't want to canabalize their hardware market.

If they wanted to, they could very easily whip out a VSTi for their MU- series modules, and this project isn't going to change their minds.

There's a reason Roland's is the only D-50 emulation VST... they are very protective about their samples. Yamaha probably is also (if they weren't, they'd be giving away their VSTis).

Again, i was never saying that they woudn't complain. i was saying they wouldn't use it as the basis for a new yamaha product to sell to normal people, which is what i think the original maker was talking about.

tcaud wrote on Today, 07:51:

they are very protective about their samples. Yamaha probably is also

They have a very good reason to be protective of their technology. Creating a good synthesis engine and sample bank is no easy task. As evidence, you need only look at the many, many multi-gigabyte "instrument banks" that don't even sound as good as some of the 2 MiB banks of the mid-1990s for the common uses we in the PC world have for them, much less real musical work. Even looking at the recent, larger, "licenced" banks from Dream, they sometimes fall flat compared to the better banks of the time. With such efforts, what do Yamaha or Roland get in return for their expertise and investments? You can argue that they are no longer available, "abandoned", old, etc., but we are still talking about their intellectual property, and for now, they still have exclusive authority over all of it. I have no legal qualifications in any jurisdiction, but I would expect that projects like these don't have a legal leg to stand on, were the rights-holders to decide to assert their rights.