Still on Windows 10 here.

I'm glad to hear they are extending the ESU officially. I'm sure they are aware of people using various methods to manually activate the 3-year ESU program (October 2028) that is normally exclusive to enterprise customers. Microsoft is already doing the work of updating Windows 10 until at least that date, all they have to do is flip a switch so that non-enterprise users get the updates too. That is what they have done here for one extra year.

I have used Windows 11 on several computers and I have yet to find anything I prefer about it. I have heard that it has slightly better handling of multi-monitor configs... basically allowing the cursor to blend smoothly from one screen to the other, but I haven't tested this myself.

I have said it before, but, the last four years since Windows 10 had its last feature update to 22H2 has been the SMOOTHEST and least problematic period of computing for me for as long as I can remember. Everything just works. I never get garbage installed automatically on my system. I have never had anything related to Copilot or AI installed automatically on my system. Drivers do not auto-update. It just does things when I tell it to, and I get security updates as they come out. I haven't had an issue with any updates on my machine aside from the Defender update that finally put an end to programs freely using WinRing0 (which has been a good thing, since it is a security risk and most programs seem to have moved on to alternatives- FINALLY).

I'm sure Windows 11 is slowly improving, but I just have no reason to switch at this point. I remember reading about some kind of responsiveness-focused update they were planning to do recently... did that actually fix the sluggish context menus finally? On the one Windows 11 system I have in the house (a game server that doesn't get used much - i7 8700, 16GB DDR4, NVMe) I did all of the tweaks I could find and the context menu still has this weird short delay when opening which just makes the whole system feel slightly sluggish. In Windows 10 I can drag my mouse across the desktop and right click as fast as humanly possible and it will open the context menu every time. On Windows 11 there was always a slightly delay so this isn't possible. If they fix that at least it would be a step in the right direction.

The start menu is also horrible. It has so much wasted space once you turn off all of the garbage, and the shut down menu being toward the middle rather than the left side is strange. I also dislike the new layout of task manager. The icons they recycled from other parts of the OS don't really make any sense so are not very intuitive and I find them distracting (a speedometer\fuel gauge for startup?). There is so much wasted space compared to the task manager in Windows 10, and nothing has changed in the actual functional parts of the window.

So, yeah... I don't see any reason to switch on most of the PCs in my house. I really only see downsides to using 11 since no one in my home really wants or cares about OS feature updates. We just want the OS to shut up and exist, securely, while we run the programs\games we actually want to run without being interrupted or prevented from doing so.

Until things genuinely stop working properly because of a lack of support, I'll be sticking to 10, but that will probably take a while since 10 and 11 are not that much different under the hood. If 11 gets some really amazing new feature that would actually benefit me, I'll wait to see how it impacts everyone to determine whether it is worth the upgrade. No sense being a guinea pig.

Realistically, LTSC is the only sane option. Both for Windows 10 and 11.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2026-06-26, 18:37:

Realistically, LTSC is the only sane option. Both for Windows 10 and 11.

I make no claims as to my sanity or that of anyone else I know, but I don't know of anyone personally (not on the internet) using LTSC. It's probably fine, but it is hardly the only option for a stable Windows experience.

I'm surprised they haven't yet dropped the TPM requirement.
I'd be betting that's the limiting factor behind the bulk of the laggards.

I guess they're betting on refresh cycles and attrition to make the massive PR problem manageable.

(Yes, I know there are ways, but most people use PCs like they use cars. It's just a tool. No means no.)

Never had windows 11 because of the hardware requirements. If they dropped the TPM thing then I could "upgrade" 2 machines at least. I didn't want to shell out for a new computer just because they said so, and given the costs of desktops these days...

So, I'm happy to see the extension of ESU.

When Windows 10 went EOL, 11 didn't feel any less responsive to me, and I thought the increased system requirements were a response to those shitty laptops with 32GB eMMC storage. Today, Windows 11 needs a minimum of 128GB boot drive, and it takes 10 seconds to open a right-click menu (and watch everything draw like an old computer with unaccelerated video) on a high-end workstation.

Also, Microslop never fixes anything, and that's a behavior they had back when they were still Microsoft. Windows still replaces my graphics driver with a much older and broken/incompatible one. People were complaining about that when Windows 10 was still beta, and it never got fixed 11 years later. OneDrive still corrupts your local cache so hard that the only way around it is to run Chkdsk to make your files accessible again (for a month), and it still silently fails to sync while claiming to have succeeded. 100% of OneDrive users have lost data, but some of them might not know it yet.

videos on youtube are saying ESU's till 2027 but I use 11 now.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2026-06-26, 13:08:

Microsoft just added another year to Win10 ESU.

So support will be provided until October 12th, 2027.

Yea,
My computer will live for another year.

myne wrote on Yesterday, 00:11:

I guess they're betting on refresh cycles and attrition to make the massive PR problem manageable.

That was the original bet, most likely, and it would have worked 10 years ago, but now Microsoft is also partially responsible for why people won't upgrade any time soon.

I see nothing bad in "end of 10" in combination with "11 disaster" 😀

The Serpent Rider wrote on Yesterday, 07:23:

myne wrote on Yesterday, 00:11:

I guess they're betting on refresh cycles and attrition to make the massive PR problem manageable.

That was the original bet, most likely, and it would have worked 10 years ago, but now Microsoft is also partially responsible for why people won't upgrade any time soon.

MS have been ignoring customer requests for a cut down without crippling windows option for 30 years.

It's always been OK eventually.
Reality is, retail sales are a fraction of their revenue. It's mostly new pc oems so who cares?

I keep having to choose to boot Win10 instead of Manjaro because some of my games still need Windows. And to this day I keep getting these stupid ads that all want my data and card number with no option for "NO, DO NOT ASK EVER AGAIN" - I have to actually ctrl-alt-del and reboot to avoid interacting with it. Having to use W11 at work I know that it will get even worse, so Windows 10 it will stay for as long as it functions.

Robbbert wrote on Yesterday, 00:48:

Never had windows 11 because of the hardware requirements. If they dropped the TPM thing then I could "upgrade" 2 machines at least. I didn't want to shell out for a new computer just because they said so, and given the costs of desktops these days...

Power users know how to circumvent the requirements and upgrade. The non-power users are exactly those that Microsoft doesn't want to support with "incompatible" hardware on Win11.

Munx wrote on Today, 09:31:

I keep having to choose to boot Win10 instead of Manjaro because some of my games still need Windows. And to this day I keep getting these stupid ads that all want my data and card number with no option for "NO, DO NOT ASK EVER AGAIN" - I have to actually ctrl-alt-del and reboot to avoid interacting with it. Having to use W11 at work I know that it will get even worse, so Windows 10 it will stay for as long as it functions.

I used to get this for some time. I think it was because my PC kept crashing and it didn't process the registry change that tells I've already finished with this process. Isn't there an option to decline everything when you click "Continue" and have it stop asking? Is that Win10 Home?

My Win10 20H2 has some strange bugs, from mysterious empty ServerKey registry key under HKCU keep appearing to random power transition failures involving the unused network adapter unless I disable it. And ability to log registry key changes to find out what processes even does this ServerKey thing doesn't work at all.

Then there's the thing with taskbar duplicating pinned items when moving windows between monitors, which was probably never fixed, MS rather replaced the taskbar with even crappier one.

My computer is a mess (as much as I am...), so much crap to sort and clean, which I've been procrastinating for years. I should install another version at some point, but can't due to all the crap in the way and the thing is daunting due to all little things to put back how I like it and me never having them written down somewhere.