Boohyaka wrote on 2026-07-09, 18:00:

Hell yeah I just cancelled my message after you posted yours in between @magefromantares...I'm sorry wierd_w but that's really not good advice. We're talking about a 90's proxy, and the original poster clearly showing that they don't really know what they are talking about (no offence, just the truth) with a stated goal of "hiding their identity online". The fact that it would "run" on modern Windows because it's NT based is so off base in this particular case.

I thought i would share the link with you anyway
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/236426979413?_trkp … c102726.m162918

wierd_w wrote on 2026-07-09, 19:31:

'Anonymizing traffic' is a *side effect*. Not an intended function. From the outside, every computer using the proxy server 'looks like one single computer'. Namely, said proxy server.

But do you think it will stop VodaFone resricting age content?
Will VodaFone be able to see what sites I have visited if I did a freedom of information request/ subject data request

wierd_w wrote on 2026-07-09, 19:31:

As I initially responded, anything newer than windows ME (which was the last microsoft OS with a 9x style HAL and memory heap design) meets this description.

Wikipida state that windows me came out in 2000. so are we right in thinking that it wont run on win98 and win95 but will on winxp?

BloodyCactus wrote on 2026-07-10, 02:43:

well its specifically calling out NT4, that was the only alpha system for NT. windows subsystems changed fairly dramatically after nt4.
its not going to work on 3.1

Again I will post the item for sale again
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/236426979413?_trkp … c102726.m162918

davidrg wrote on 2026-07-10, 07:39:

They just look superficially similar because Windows 95 just adopted a subset of Windows NTs API (allowing some but not all software to work on both), and Windows NT adopted a superset of Windows 95s Shell but that's about the extent of the relationship.

So is it the kernal or which version of MS-DOS that determains which OSs that the programs will run on?

DaveDDS wrote on 2026-07-10, 07:55:

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-09, 16:48:

... what is this Windows NT? ...

"WindowsNT" stands for "Windows New Technology" and is the first stand-alone (not on top of DOS) 32-bit protected mode edition of Windows, and the first to use NTFS (New Technology File System)

Is all of windowsNT NTFS and not FAT32 then?

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-10, 16:22:

Wikipida state that windows me came out in 2000. so are we right in thinking that it wont run on win98 and win95 but will on winxp?

its not going to work on xp. xp is far removed from nt4's driver/subsystems design this wants to plug into.

BloodyCactus wrote on 2026-07-10, 16:31:

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-10, 16:22:

Wikipida state that windows me came out in 2000. so are we right in thinking that it wont run on win98 and win95 but will on winxp?

its not going to work on xp. xp is far removed from nt4's driver/subsystems design this wants to plug into.

if you are defo for sure that it wont run on xp then i defo wont buy it!

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-10, 16:30:

Is all of windowsNT NTFS and not FAT32 then?

I believe NT and all subsequent protected mode editions of Winblows are fundamentally based around NTFS.

I know most of them can recognize and mount FAT volumes, but I don't recall ever seeing NT+ running as a fundamentally FAT only system.

DaveDDS wrote on 2026-07-10, 18:57:

I know most of them can recognize and mount FAT volumes,

but sadly not the other way round

DaveDDS wrote on 2026-07-10, 18:57:

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-10, 16:30:

Is all of windowsNT NTFS and not FAT32 then?

I believe NT and all subsequent protected mode editions of Winblows are fundamentally based around NTFS.

I know most of them can recognize and mount FAT volumes, but I don't recall ever seeing NT+ running as a fundamentally FAT only system.

Dont quote me on it, But I 'think' you can get win2k to run on fat volumes.

It's very much tied to the windows security model after that though.

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-10, 19:10:

DaveDDS wrote on 2026-07-10, 18:57:

I know most of them can recognize and mount FAT volumes,

but sadly not the other way round

There are some tools you can get to let "lesser" OSs recognize NTFS volumes (to varying degrees)

wierd_w wrote on 2026-07-10, 19:16:

Dont quote me on it, But I 'think' you can get win2k to run on fat volumes.

It's very much tied to the windows security model after that though.

Sorry ... I think I just quoted you 😀

I wouldn't be at all surprised - I do think might have "heard" from someone once running an NT based OS from FAT (W2K sounds about right) .. but I couldn't confirm a very vague (maybe memory) so I didn't mention it.

Maybe now that I'm retired and always looking for "interesting" things to do, I'll see it it can be dome (in a VM or course)

DaveDDS wrote on 2026-07-10, 19:46:

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-10, 19:10:

DaveDDS wrote on 2026-07-10, 18:57:

I know most of them can recognize and mount FAT volumes,

but sadly not the other way round

There are some tools you can get to let "lesser" OSs recognize NTFS volumes (to varying degrees)

Do they let you create a FAT partition on say a NFTS or linux, And do they run from the OS or from boot up?
Thanks

what dose windows NT compatible mean

Can you instead of dose write does?

Im from Windows wrote on 2026-07-10, 19:54:

... but sadly not the other way round

I wrote:

There are some tools you can get to let "lesser" OSs recognize NTFS volumes (to varying degrees)

You wrote:

Do they let you create a FAT partition on say a NFTS or linux, And do they run from the OS or from boot up?

It's never possible to create a partition on a file system.

Partitions are "groups" of tracks/sectorson a Volume (usually a hard disk)
File systems are the particular way data is organized in a partition to present as "files" to the operating system.
(technically it's possible to store a complete image of a Volume (with partitions) in a higher level file - VMs often do that - but now we are getting into virtualizing hardware which is a "can of worms")

NTFS based Winblows already has the ability to recognize a FAT file system (otherwise it couldn't read floppies)
Many editions of Linux can recognize and mount FAT file systems.

When you said "not the other way around", I thought you ment "accessing NTFS from FAT based systems", and I was thinking of an old tool called "NTFSDOS" which lets a DOS system read an NTFS partition - useful when you are trying to recover files from an NTFS partition when the NTFS aware OS can't boot - you can boot DOS from a floppy, and with NTFSDOS you could read specific files from the NTFS system to "recover" them!

DaveDDS wrote on 2026-07-10, 20:20:

When you said "not the other way around", I thought you ment "accessing NTFS from FAT based systems", and I was thinking of an old tool called "NTFSDOS" which lets a DOS system read an NTFS partition - useful when you are trying to recover files from an NTFS partition when the NTFS aware OS can't boot - you can boot DOS from a floppy, and with NTFSDOS you could read specific files from the NTFS system to "recover" them!

Yes but i was more thinking of creating a FAT partition inside of an existing NFTS

Unless you do it on a virtual machine where it's "hard drive" is a file on the host... you can't put a partition inside a file.

If you want to have both an NTFS and a FAT partitions on one system, you would have to set up TWO partitions on the hard drive.
Say for example, you have a 50g hard drive ... you could make a 30g NTFS partition and a 20g FAT partition on it.

Then, when you boot an OS, it can "see" the partitions it knows about.

You could also do multiple hard drives - 1 NTFS, 1 FAT - or any combinations on each on each drive.

MagefromAntares wrote on 2026-07-09, 17:55:

I don't know which jurisdiction you live in, but if it is legal where you live, then the current method to anonymize yourself online is to use a VPN, however find a VPN that you can trust as a bad VPN provider can be worse than simply not using a VPN at all.

Since as I wont be going with the MS proxy server CD anymore

Would this be ok?
Its from nortons, but its only 1 year and not for life!
https://2gosoftware.co.uk/en-gb/norton-secure … 5BoCV5YQAvD_BwE

This was the original CD that i was after but the seller removed it
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/187138415159

Im from Windows wrote on Yesterday, 18:09:

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MagefromAntares wrote on 2026-07-09, 17:55:

I don't know which jurisdiction you live in, but if it is legal where you live, then the current method to anonymize yourself online is to use a VPN, however find a VPN that you can trust as a bad VPN provider can be worse than simply not using a VPN at all.

Since as I wont be going with the MS proxy server CD anymore

Would this be ok?
Its from nortons, but its only 1 year and not for life!
https://2gosoftware.co.uk/en-gb/norton-secure … 5BoCV5YQAvD_BwE

This was the original CD that i was after but the seller removed it
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/187138415159

What about an actual phisical vpn router then; will it hide my IP address
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/296029858600?_trkp … P14HH9ATZ9V8KRJ