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First post, by gaffa2002

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Just had a bit of an experience... some months ago I decided to purchase a small 15 inches CRT monitor to use with my retro PC, it wasn't cheap and shipping was a pain... I tested the monitor and it was working fine, but I had to store it in my closet due to the lack of space at home, the point of the purchase was to buy this monitor and use it when I was able to move somewhere larger.
Well, I didn't move to a larger place yet, but my 9 year old daughter showed interest in playing with computers, so I took the retro PC off the closet and installed at the desk on her room. It's a Pentium 200MMX with FreeDOS installed and a lot of CDs for her to check out (figured it would be good for her to learn navigating through directories and opening programs without any abstraction, not to mention its not connected to the nightmare that we call internet).
Good news is, she loved it and it's already being able to navigate through directories, play her favorite games (Theme Hospital, Doom and some hangman game that came with Freedos), write text files, etc... bad news is... the CRT monitor stopped working two days after installing the computer 🙁. It seems to be stuck in a cycle where it tries to turn on, then it "clicks" and turns off, then it turns on again, forever.
It may be a simple issue to fix, but as I have zero knowledge on monitor repairs and zero patience for learning it, I decided to simply store it back into the closet and buy the crappiest, cheapest white label LCD monitor I could find, just made sure it was not wide (5:4, close enough), had a VGA in, and it has 75hz. For my surprise, the result wasn't so bad! The monitor is displaying those low DOS resolutions without any issues and with the correct refresh rate (only issue being some ghosting), my daughter got very happy with it and says the picture quality is far superior on the new monitor (she has no nostalgia lens and cares not about things like scanlines and a little ghosting).
That situation made me think... is it worth to keep CRT monitors around like this? Yes, their picture and response times are great for low resolution stuff, but you never know when they are going to break, and if they do, how are you supposed to fix/replace it? Not to mention they are heavy and huge (the 15 inches CRT took the whole desk barely leaving space for a keyboard while the 17 inches CRT just takes a fraction of that).

So what's your experience on the matter? Do you still have CRTs around (and how do you keep them working)? Or did you already replace them by a more modern alternative and never looked back?

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Reply 1 of 17, by jakethompson1

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I have CRTs but basically assume the tube is a wear item, and I also have a CRT with the same symptoms you describe. Supposedly it involves high voltage power supply capacitors, but the monitor with the problem uses plastic snaps to open and close instead of screws, so troubleshooting it is very annoying.

I have several NOS Lenovo LCDs that are 1280x1024.

I also got, as a test bench monitor, an Acer 22CV1Q 1920x1080. It has VGA input and displays all these resolutions as well. The size and aspect ratio is awkward for DOS era screens obviously. It does have an option to not stretch 4:3 resolutions, but it considers VGA text mode and 320x200 games as widescreen.

960x540 and 1280x720 scale beautifully on it. Problem is, the only program I can convince to use those resolutions is XFree86, because it exposes the Modeline directly. Perhaps the Cirrus 542x Windows drivers could be hacked to display them, but as of yet I haven't figured out how, and suspect they may use Int 10h to switch resolutions and so the modesetting code isn't to be found in there. I tried PowerStrip with a Cirrus 544x and 546x, because I'd heard of it as a good tool for custom resolutions, but has random crashes and doesn't seem to allow me to enter a completely custom Modeline with a Cirrus.

Reply 2 of 17, by SScorpio

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I have some CRTs, but don't use them often due to their size and weight. They are just too large, and modern stands so they don't take up a whole desk won't support them.

Right now my go to is an OSSC feeding into a 1440p display the support FreeSync. Lots of things scale into 1440p well, and FreeSync seems to let it be a little more lenient with Refresh Rates. Modern flat panels are just so much better than legacy ones, it's hard to rationalize sticking with the old washed out ghosting panels.

Reply 3 of 17, by Shponglefan

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I've yet to find a satisfactory replacement for CRT monitors.

I have a pile of old CRTs, but at least half of them need work. They are one of the more challenging piece of retro hardware to maintain, but it can be done. They are dangerous too, so you have to properly discharge them if you ever open one up.

When it comes to replacing them, you have either the option of older LCDs if you want something in a proper aspect ratio (4:3), or newer LCDs with scalers, but then you have to deal with widescreen or ultrawide form factor.

I've tried maybe a dozen or so older 4:3 LCDs. There are even some that support native 70Hz (for DOS), but with older LCDs you have to deal with worse display technology and wear-and-tear that comes with used displays.

I also backed the Checkmate retro monitor hoping it might be a solution. While they have a nice aesthetic in terms of case design, the internals are terrible for retro PC use. And unfortunately guy who made them is clueless about PCs in general, so I don't think we'll ever get a solution there.

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Reply 4 of 17, by jakethompson1

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Shponglefan wrote on Yesterday, 23:39:

newer LCDs with scalers

Why jump to scalers though--genuine question--when there are brand new $70 LCDs being made with VGA input, and no trickery wrt 70 Hz or anything like that? The only downside is they are huge and 1920x1080 rather than 1280x1024

Reply 5 of 17, by swaaye

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I haven't used one since about 2008. I had moved to LCDs around 2005 but kept the Samsung Syncmaster 19" around for awhile for the old machine builds but I lost interest in using it.

I had a 50" plasma TV for a long time. I enjoyed that thing a lot for old consoles and old PC games. Unfortunately the panel died last year.

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Reply 7 of 17, by Dominus

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And unfortunately guy who made them is clueless about PCs in general, so I don't think we'll ever get a solution there.

and grumpy and can only communicate via video which made the Kickstarter a torture for me as getting vital information often needed me to sit through countless uninteresting stuff. And then he wondered why people didn't use his kickstarter -> order page conversion correctly (or at all).
Sorry for the rant 😀

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Reply 8 of 17, by Fish3r

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I don't care for CRTs personally, I have a pretty core memory of my dad replacing the CRT used for the family PC in the 2000s with an LCD and being amazed at how much better all my games looked. That has stuck with me and frankly I've never understood the obsession with CRTs some people have.

Reply 9 of 17, by Dothan Burger

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I search Ebay for new in box CRT's all the time. Last year I picked up a new Lenovo 17inch for $165 after shipping, still deals to be found.

I've got a 15inch HP in my cart right now.

Reply 10 of 17, by Shponglefan

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jakethompson1 wrote on Today, 00:15:

Why jump to scalers though--genuine question--when there are brand new $70 LCDs being made with VGA input, and no trickery wrt 70 Hz or anything like that? The only downside is they are huge and 1920x1080 rather than 1280x1024

It depends on how the monitor handles aspect ratios as well as having control over upscaling algorithm used.

For example, I've got an Asus ProArt 24" monitor. It's native 75Hz and would be great except that it doesn't render DOS VGA resolution properly; it stretches it to fill a 16:10 aspect ratio. Whereas if I run it via DOSBox and use that for upscaling to the monitor's native resolution, I can get a proper 4:3 aspect ratio.

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Reply 11 of 17, by jakethompson1

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Dothan Burger wrote on Today, 00:59:

I search Ebay for new in box CRT's all the time. Last year I picked up a new Lenovo 17inch for $165 after shipping, still deals to be found.

I've got a 15inch HP in my cart right now.

That means a good tube, but doesn't guarantee anything on capacitors, cracked solder joints, etc. In fact the monitor I have that clicks on and off when powered on was NOS, and I only got maybe 10 hours of use on it before that started.

Reply 12 of 17, by Shponglefan

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rmay635703 wrote on Today, 00:26:

Have you used an Arcooda monitor for retro PC?

I've been interested in Arcooda monitors for awhile, especially now that they have a 19" monitor based on the same panel as the Checkmate. But there is surprisingly little written about them for retro PC usage. They seem primarily aimed at retro arcade use.

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Reply 13 of 17, by Shponglefan

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jakethompson1 wrote on Today, 01:01:

That means a good tube, but doesn't guarantee anything on capacitors, cracked solder joints, etc. In fact the monitor I have that clicks on and off when powered on was NOS, and I only got maybe 10 hours of use on it before that started.

At least things like bad caps or cracked solder joints are more easily repairable than an issue with the tube itself.

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Reply 14 of 17, by SScorpio

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jakethompson1 wrote on Today, 00:15:

Why jump to scalers though--genuine question--when there are brand new $70 LCDs being made with VGA input, and no trickery wrt 70 Hz or anything like that? The only downside is they are huge and 1920x1080 rather than 1280x1024

You're relying on the displays scaling abilities. As someone brought up some monitors can mess up some modes and not properly detect what is a 4:3 vs a 16:9 mode. Other modes might not display at all. Some scalers can also generate scanlines, while really nice ones can do CRT shaders which make the picture look really nice on modern displays.

RetroTINK just released the new 6X which is $230 and can do all the shaders the $750 4K one does but caps out at 1440p.

Many of the "cheap" new LCDs with VGA inputs don't give the best picture. And many modern monitors only have DisplayPort, HDMI, and USB-C inputs.

Reply 15 of 17, by Shponglefan

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Dothan Burger wrote on Today, 00:59:

I search Ebay for new in box CRT's all the time. Last year I picked up a new Lenovo 17inch for $165 after shipping, still deals to be found.

I've got a 15inch HP in my cart right now.

This entirely depends on where you live whether you can find deals.

I just looked on Ebay and NOS monitors are approaching five hundred dollars in most cases and hundreds more to ship (from U.S. to Canada). Add in taxes and potential other fees and I'm probably looking at an even thousand for one of those.

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Reply 16 of 17, by Shponglefan

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SScorpio wrote on Today, 01:05:

You're relying on the displays scaling abilities. As someone brought up some monitors can mess up some modes and not properly detect what is a 4:3 vs a 16:9 mode. Other modes might not display at all. Some scalers can also generate scanlines, while really nice ones can do CRT shaders which make the picture look really nice on modern displays.

There is also the issue of the upscaling algorithm itself.

For example, on the Checkmate monitor while it handles aspect ratios correctly, the upscaler makes the image blurry as hell. It basically ruins what would otherwise have been a serviceable retro PC monitor.

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Reply 17 of 17, by Dothan Burger

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Shponglefan wrote on Today, 01:07:
Dothan Burger wrote on Today, 00:59:

I search Ebay for new in box CRT's all the time. Last year I picked up a new Lenovo 17inch for $165 after shipping, still deals to be found.

I've got a 15inch HP in my cart right now.

This entirely depends on where you live whether you can find deals.

I just looked on Ebay and NOS monitors are approaching five hundred dollars in most cases and hundreds more to ship (from U.S. to Canada). Add in taxes and potential other fees and I'm probably looking at an even thousand for one of those.

Oh for sure! But if you can get one, why wouldn't you? The HP in my cart right now is $365.