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Reply 32020 of 32032, by PD2JK

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It looks like I bricked my Kayak XU800 board. BIOS crisis recovery doesn't work either. There is no floppy activity. The BIOS chip is not socketed unfortunately, and I don't want to place an empty socket on the board with the risk of ruining the whole thing. So I figured I could hook up an empty socket in mirror-image. Test drive using a spare EEPROM:

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Only a few pins left who are making bad or no contact... I slightly bent the contact points in the socket using a modified staple.

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Reply 32021 of 32032, by BitWrangler

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Sometimes you need to cut the bottom out for sockets to seat deep enough to make contact when on top of a chip.

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Reply 32022 of 32032, by PD2JK

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BitWrangler wrote on Yesterday, 19:35:

Sometimes you need to cut the bottom out for sockets to seat deep enough to make contact when on top of a chip.

I see what you mean, but here's our brick:

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Not many tall components, just a few low profile SMD caps or resistors but these are not obstructing.

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Reply 32023 of 32032, by rasz_pl

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I had mixed luck flashing chips while still in system, stuff like whole mobo trying to power off injected voltage etc, sometimes powering on and keeping it in reset helps

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Reply 32024 of 32032, by VanillaFairy

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Well, I did something pretty dumb and impulse-bought a GPU for my retro PC, even though someone already offered to give me the same model I was looking for without paying £50 for it.
(I may be stupid)

Installing the 7600 GS has given my retro PC a good boost and saved the 5700LE for if I want to make a Pentium 3 PC with it one day, though I think I'm also running into some driver issues. (I just chose the most up-to-date drivers, which I know is not a good choice so I'll be looking into some better ones soonish)
Sonic Heroes (running at 640x480) does run better, but also noticeably runs way worse than I'd expect for a game that needs 16mb of VRAM and a Pentium 1, with more the rising platform gimmick elements in the first level causing a whole lot of lag.
Spore runs better but running in fullscreen constantly forces me out of it, and Peggle's hardware acceleration actually works better than software mode but the game looks like it was stretched slightly with nearest-neighbour filtering.
I've not yet tried any other games, although Discord Messanger does still work and Mypal does too and slightly better (but not by much)

There's definitely some kind of bottleneck in this computer, though I'm not actually 100% sure if it is drivers or if it's the CPU (3.06ghz Pentium 4 HT), or the motherboard (SiS chipset + no actual microcode for hyperthreading), or the USB 3.0 PCI card is saturating the PCI bus, or maybe Windows Vista is just too much for this thing after all and I should cut my losses & give up on it.
(or maybe I accidentally didn't put the molex connector in properly and it's throttling performance. I did try to put it in as far as I could but I didn't want to risk damaging the GPU board...)

(At the very least, I think hardware-wise this system is basically maxed out now for what the motherboard can feasibly support. there's definitely room to improve if I get a better motherboard, but I think that'd ruin the charm given how that's the only thing left in the build from the original computer.)

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Reply 32025 of 32032, by bakemono

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I had to print some government forms, which helpfully always have some fine print that isn't legible on the trusty dotmatrix printer. My Canon ip2700 is not working. It might just be a dead ink cartridge but it's hard to know with these things. Same deal with my retro inkjet, a Canon BJC-1000 that I got in 2000. But I had a 'photo' ink cartridge sitting around that was still sealed in the container, so I gave it a try. I was a bit surprised, it actually works...

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Reply 32026 of 32032, by myne

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VanillaFairy wrote on Yesterday, 20:50:

There's definitely some kind of bottleneck in this computer

SiS chipset

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Reply 32027 of 32032, by Aui

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CD-ROM repairs (sigh...)
Among all the retro repairs, individual points of failure and maintenance, CD-ROM drives are the ones that frustrate me the most. Even more than trace repair! Battery leakage causes tangible damage - you either succeed or you don’t with the repair. CD-ROM drives on the other hand, often don’t even properly fail - they rather get tired, don’t open or refuse to cooperate in countless other ways. And by the way, I never had a single CD-Drive that was fixed by cleaning the laser with IPA. Today I had a drive that would only reluctantly eject - but keeping the CD inside! (I have no idea how that is even possible - maybe the drive decided it was from now on a multi disk player???) I also had the glorious idea (after many years) to test my precious PLEXTOR burner only to find disks with heavy data corruption. At the end of such a day I always ponder the ZULU option but that’s not the same thing…(angry rant over)

Reply 32028 of 32032, by Nicolas 2000

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The last time I had to repair a CD-ROM drive it were the rubber grommets of the mechanism that had developed too much sag, causing the mechanism to hit the static part of the drive. Added grommets and now it works again. And on the CD drive of my PS2, I had to do the well documented trick with the tape on the clamp to have it read PS1 discs perfectly.

Reply 32029 of 32032, by TELVM

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BitWrangler wrote on Yesterday, 14:03:

A couple of my older style ATX with the fan flush to a flat stamped grille in the back, the stamping had fat ribs so seemed to block a lot of airflow, and these PSU had a definite woooooooo noise when running. Just cut out the stamping altogether and mounted wire grille external and they went very quiet and case temps seemed to drop. (Pre 2000, only airflow is the PSU type systems) ...

^ That's one of the shortcomings in 1990s vintage hardware that I can't withstand: Small size fans, often choked by ridiculously restrictive grilles = Atrocious ventilation = High temps inside. Just what old electrolytic capacitors need [/SARCASM].

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^ Pick your poison.

I don't make prisoners amongst exhaust grilles, and only use the raised wire type on some selected intakes:

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The spice must flow!

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Let the air flow!

Reply 32030 of 32032, by BitWrangler

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Aui wrote on Today, 08:27:

CD-ROM repairs (sigh...)
Among all the retro repairs, individual points of failure and maintenance, CD-ROM drives are the ones that frustrate me the most. Even more than trace repair! Battery leakage causes tangible damage - you either succeed or you don’t with the repair. CD-ROM drives on the other hand, often don’t even properly fail - they rather get tired, don’t open or refuse to cooperate in countless other ways. And by the way, I never had a single CD-Drive that was fixed by cleaning the laser with IPA. Today I had a drive that would only reluctantly eject - but keeping the CD inside! (I have no idea how that is even possible - maybe the drive decided it was from now on a multi disk player???) I also had the glorious idea (after many years) to test my precious PLEXTOR burner only to find disks with heavy data corruption. At the end of such a day I always ponder the ZULU option but that’s not the same thing…(angry rant over)

Sounds to me like the hub that clamps down got somehow "sticky" either literally, from a CD that had a bath in coke or something, or rubber on it that has gone off, or the plastic got grazed and is catching on inside ring of CDs....

But yeah, CD mechanisms are a royal pain in the ass. I picked up an inch thick book a few years back. "Compact Disc Player Maintenance and Repair" hoping that that would tell me the magic tricks to successful troubleshooting in the pickup and laser head. But no, it has about one paragraph total about the actual business end stuff that goes wrong and tells you to leave it alone. The rest seems to be all about troubleshooting the power supply and audio amp.... pretty much the generic parts that would be in a tape deck etc also. A good chunk of the beginning of the book is a complete waste of paper, like describing a CD player to someone from 1920 who has never seen one.

Edit: hah, yeah, knew I'd said something about that book before, found the image I posted, this is all the help you get in there...
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Reply 32031 of 32032, by myne

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Some old rubber literally melts into a goo not unlike fresh silicone glue.

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Reply 32032 of 32032, by BitWrangler

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myne wrote on Today, 12:57:

Some old rubber literally melts into a goo not unlike fresh silicone glue.

Yeah it can exude sticky oils as well, if there's a rubber ring/washer under the spindle it might ooze down onto it.

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