H3nrik V! wrote on Yesterday, 06:42:
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I did, however believe that socket 7 was always dual voltage? Or was the only difference from socket 5 the extra available multipliers? Anyways, it isn't all unheard of that the physical socket is a socket 7 even the board is only socket 5 specs - it's been a question of avaliability probably.
Socket 7 has dual voltage planes for Vcore and Vio, but it does not require a motherboard to be able to deliver something under 3.2V on the Vcore plane. It also specifies higher permitted currents, which are needed to run say a P200 in-spec (even disregarding the BF1 multiplier jumper that you also need)
RetroPCCupboard wrote on Today, 08:00:
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Certainly looks very similar to the one I got.
Same case but different guts. You have a system with a PB640 (=Intel OEM board) with i430FX chipset, so it's from after January 1995; the one Repo Man11 posted dates to 1994 so will have an older motherboard with different chipset (probably Wildcat or Hillary with i430NX). Doesn't hugely change the situation though, apart from offering worse performance - the boost of the i430FX, even with async cache, was huge.
I am not sure what to do about the CPU now.
If the Overdrive is indeed wasted in this machine due to no pipeline burst cache, then maybe I should downgrade it.
I have pizza box style HP machine that currently has a non-MMX pentium 150mhz. I have seen conflicting info on whether the HP is 430FX or 430HX. I think it does support pipeline burst COAST module but I think not one installed currently. Maybe could swap the CPUs. I will have to dig out the machine to actually see what's inside. It is a Vectra VL 5/100.
"Wasted" is a big word. Performance would be a good deal better with PLB cache, but the extra L1 cache of a Pentium MMX still helps, as do the extra MHz regardless of whether it's MMX or not.
I'd check what the exact situation is with the Vectra:
- it has a COAST slot; what cache (if any) is onboard?
- does it have a VRM to support dual-voltage CPUs?
If it has PLB on the board already (probably 256kB in that case), you can get the full benefit without a COAST stick, but if it has a VRM onboard you might as well just get a regular MMX CPU and leave the overdrive in the PB (if you want to keep both systems).
Trashbytes wrote on Today, 13:05:
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Its one or the other, when you plug the COAST in the onboard cache gets disabled by the chipset. I cant recall ever seeing it work in any other fashion. I'm not an expert on how these older chipsets worked but I would take an educated guess that the chipset can only address one or the other internally and cannot combine the two.
That's definitely true if they use different types of cache (async vs PLB), but I'm pretty sure if they're both PLB they can both be used - and if there's a tag RAM chip on the COAST it can participate as well. Take the Asus P55T2P4 - it was shipped with 0, 256 or 512kB of PLB L2 cache; if shipped with 256kB of PLB, you could upgrade to 512kB by adding a 256kB COAST module, and if that module had a tag RAM onboard, it could increase cacheable area from 64MB to 512MB.