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First post, by Mondodimotori

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Hello there, apparently I can't catch a break with post FX series AGP cards...
I got myself a nice abit 462 board on ebay and, on the side when I went to pick it up, the seller sold me a bunch of more hardware for relatively cheap.
Among those a 6600GT AGP that he told me "was tested" and then put into storage.

Now... after installing the driver, I get this error.

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I do the usual: try reseating the card, reseating the power connector, cleaning it with isopropyl and testing everything with another working 6600GT.
Only this card gives me the error.
If I try to bench it in 3DMark, the card is painfully slow.

So... I just think that the PSU in my test bench (a no name brand unit that I should really get rid off) may be going bad. So I swap for another known working PSU and... It appears to be working now! 3Dmarks shows framerates in line with expectations...

For a few minutes. Then the same error pops up again.

Here's how the cards appears: No immediately apparent problems on it. So... What could it be? If it was something broken on the PCB, the card would just always show that error. But if it can run for a few shorts minutes at full power, maybe there's something wrong with the power connector on the card?

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I will test another PSU, just need to dig it up from my closet, but I'm starting to loose confidence, just hoping that it can be an easy fix.

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Reply 1 of 15, by mockingbird

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I had no luck with the 6600GT either... The GPU chip could be defective, or it could be the bridge chip. The 6600GT is native PCIe, so that's why it needs a bridge chip.

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Reply 2 of 15, by Ozzuneoj

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Do you have a magnifier that you could use to inspect the solder joints for the power connector pins? If one has a hairline crack it could be unreliable and could move as the temperature changes.

Or, if you are proficient with soldering you could reflow those joints just to be sure (you'll probably need to preheat the board a bit since it likely has lead-free solder).

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 3 of 15, by Mondodimotori

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mockingbird wrote on 2026-11-06, 19:00:

I had no luck with the 6600GT either... The GPU chip could be defective, or it could be the bridge chip. The 6600GT is native PCIe, so that's why it needs a bridge chip.

I encountered cards with defective GPU chip and AGP bridge chip. If the GPU chip is defective, I usually just get artifacts and immediate crashes. If the AGP Bridge is defective... I usually get no screen at all. But yeah, the seller confirmed that it did work with the driver installed and passed benchmarks. Then it remained into storage fora bit before I got it. It wouldn't be the firs time that I encounter problematic hardware that was working before entering storage.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-11-06, 19:05:

Do you have a magnifier that you could use to inspect the solder joints for the power connector pins? If one has a hairline crack it could be unreliable and could move as the temperature changes.

Or, if you are proficient with soldering you could reflow those joints just to be sure (you'll probably need to preheat the board a bit since it likely has lead-free solder).

A magnifier is somethig that I should get, becase at a naked eye I don't see any issue but...
Unfortunatelly I'm not proficient (yet) in soldering.

Anyway, I managed to get another PSU out and, now, the card just straight up crashes after installing drivers. It won't even load into windows. Just crashes right after the load screen. And if I load into safe mode... The screen is full of artifacts.
The other 6600GT I own, the lucky card among many fallen soldiers, still works no issues even with this third PSU.

Guess that this is a tale as old as time itself: Functioning vintage hardware that stops working after being in storage for some time. But I'll keep trying a little bit more.

Reply 4 of 15, by Mondodimotori

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Small update that warrants another answer:

After going back to the second PSU, the one that I had more success with this card, the artifacts slowly disappeared one reboot and one swap of the connector after another. The card still shows issues, mind you, not 100% stable, with that "power issues" message popping up from time to time. As I'm writing this, I'm well into the "lobby" scene in 3DMark01, never reached it with this card before. It usually showed that message well before completing the first run of "Dragothic"

But I did notice something peculiar: The smaller artifacts would appear and disappears in unison with an acute wistles from the card. It did those wistles from the moment I started testing it and, at the beginning, I just thought it was the music of an old fan.
But now? With problems and artifacts going in unison with those squeeks and wistles? Maybe there really is something wrong with some capacitors or some solder joints on the card. Maybe even tinuy cracks or just oxidation from being into storage for some time.
I'll keep doing more tests because, when I finished writing this, I reached the end of 3DMark01 for the first time ever with this card, scoring a respectable 17541 points, in line with the other 6600GT I own. And no apparent artifacts showing up.

EDIT 1
I don't know how simply disconnecting and reconnecting to the GPU the molex connectors I have on this PSU, alternating bewteen the two of them, made the card go slowly from photo 1 to photo 2, with the error message reappearing briefly before itself going away too. And the squeek is now gone. On the way to complete a second run of 3DMark2001 before shutting everything down for the evening and coming back at it tomorrow.

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EDIT 2
I've passed more 3DMark2001 runs with similar scores, even after rebooting the system and even after disconnecting and reconnecting the MOLEX plug again.
I'm starting to think I may be jinxed or something with these late AGP era cards...

Reply 5 of 15, by Ozzuneoj

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Nice! So it's working now?

Maybe there was some kind of stubborn (and invisible) oxidation or gunk on one of the pins on the molex connector. Some PSUs may have connections that clamp tighter than others, so I guess that could explain the difference between power supplies... though what you've described isn't something I have personally experienced.

If you reconnected the cable multiple times it could have cleaned the connector enough to make it work without getting flaky.

Now, I wonder... does the card work with the other power supplies too?

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 6 of 15, by Mondodimotori

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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2026-11-06, 21:15:
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Nice! So it's working now?

Maybe there was some kind of stubborn (and invisible) oxidation or gunk on one of the pins on the molex connector. Some PSUs may have connections that clamp tighter than others, so I guess that could explain the difference between power supplies... though what you've described isn't something I have personally experienced.

If you reconnected the cable multiple times it could have cleaned the connector enough to make it work without getting flaky.

Now, I wonder... does the card work with the other power supplies too?

Well, yeah, it is working. Meaning the silicon on the PCB is good: The GPU, the memory and the AGP bridge are good, because even afte unplugging the MOLEX and reconnecting it again to the same connector, the card still works and passes 3DMark2001 on repeat.

The weird thing, though, isn't that things got gradually better while I kept switching between connectors and PSUs, but that they went gradually worse and then they improved to no problems at all. I was sure the card was a goner when it started artifacting heavily. But that squeeky sound that now disappeard... Yeah, maybe there was something electric going on between the connections.
Anyway, tomorrow morning I have to test the actual itemI went to pick up from this seller, the motherboard, but before testing that I'll first try switching again connectors on this PSU, then test again with on of the other two PSUs that showed problems before with this specific card. At this point I think that, it it wasn't oxidation or gunk, it's probably a defective connector on the card. Something I believe should be easy to fix for a professional technician.

Reply 7 of 15, by myne

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Try washing it.
Seriously. Soap, water, toothbrush, dry thoroughly.

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Reply 8 of 15, by shamino

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Do you have Deoxit? If so, use it on both the AGP and Molex connections. I agree also reflowing the Molex solder joints might help.
If you have a multimeter, monitor the voltages from an unused molex and see if the 5V or 12V are sagging under load.

Does anyone know how these cards detect a power fault? Can that error be caused by weak power from the motherboard, or is it only detected from the molex side? Is it based on sensing 1 or more of the voltages somewhere on the card? Is it sensing the supply voltage(s) or output(s) from an onboard regulator?

Reply 9 of 15, by myne

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So, typically, the card gets power from the slot, and from the plug.
Nvidia were trixy and they can output a standard VGA display in my experience with completely fd ram, and only slot power.
Which is enough to show a "needs more power" error, get into windows and code 43 IF a proper driver tries to load.

Presumably this means the core has a tiny vga only section that runs from the slot, and the 3d part runs from the plug VRMs.

In this case, I personally suspect something's wrong with the VRM circuit from the plug, but it could just as easily be random semiconducting dirt somewhere causing a partial short, and/or high resistance plugs.
It can be the detection circuit too, or a bad pad, or bad solder/infill (we are talking about the start of bumpgate here), or even a bad cap (smd or electrolytic).
It IS pretty old now.

Hence... give her a wash and see what happens.

It can't hurt to log the reported voltages in afterburner or something too. Without proper tools it's a shitshow.
Best an amateur can do is wash, and if that fails, gamble that the electrolytics/polymers are bad, replace them and hope for the best. At least they're fairly easy.

I fixed about a dozen gpus and half of those were from a wash. Most of the others were VRM related. Usually swap the mosfet and all good. One... I think was SMD caps on the PCIE lanes. I forget. Anyway I had a solid crack at learning.
I failed a bunch. Some were just doomed. Like the 1080 with the hole through the board. Doubt the core survived that.

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Reply 10 of 15, by Mondodimotori

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myne wrote on Yesterday, 07:31:

Try washing it.
Seriously. Soap, water, toothbrush, dry thoroughly.

shamino wrote on Yesterday, 10:06:

Do you have Deoxit? If so, use it on both the AGP and Molex connections. I agree also reflowing the Molex solder joints might help.
If you have a multimeter, monitor the voltages from an unused molex and see if the 5V or 12V are sagging under load.

Does anyone know how these cards detect a power fault? Can that error be caused by weak power from the motherboard, or is it only detected from the molex side? Is it based on sensing 1 or more of the voltages somewhere on the card? Is it sensing the supply voltage(s) or output(s) from an onboard regulator?

myne wrote on Yesterday, 10:23:
So, typically, the card gets power from the slot, and from the plug. Nvidia were trixy and they can output a standard VGA displ […]
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So, typically, the card gets power from the slot, and from the plug.
Nvidia were trixy and they can output a standard VGA display in my experience with completely fd ram, and only slot power.
Which is enough to show a "needs more power" error, get into windows and code 43 IF a proper driver tries to load.

Presumably this means the core has a tiny vga only section that runs from the slot, and the 3d part runs from the plug VRMs.

In this case, I personally suspect something's wrong with the VRM circuit from the plug, but it could just as easily be random semiconducting dirt somewhere causing a partial short, and/or high resistance plugs.
It can be the detection circuit too, or a bad pad, or bad solder/infill (we are talking about the start of bumpgate here), or even a bad cap (smd or electrolytic).
It IS pretty old now.

Hence... give her a wash and see what happens.

It can't hurt to log the reported voltages in afterburner or something too. Without proper tools it's a shitshow.
Best an amateur can do is wash, and if that fails, gamble that the electrolytics/polymers are bad, replace them and hope for the best. At least they're fairly easy.

I fixed about a dozen gpus and half of those were from a wash. Most of the others were VRM related. Usually swap the mosfet and all good. One... I think was SMD caps on the PCIE lanes. I forget. Anyway I had a solid crack at learning.
I failed a bunch. Some were just doomed. Like the 1080 with the hole through the board. Doubt the core survived that.

I'll treasure all these infos, and I bet they'll be useful in the future for anyone else experiencing this problem and looking for solutions on search engines.
But even now, after keeping the system off for well over 12 hours, the card just works. I seriously don't know what could've been wrong, especially since cleaning the PCB and the connector with 90% isopropyl was one of the first things I tried and didn't solve the issue, and it kept getting worse the more I tried the card... Until it didn't got worse and magically fixed itself.

Now, I'll probably do the definitive test: I need to take this system off the test bench to test the MOBO I went to originally pick up from this seller (An ABIT KV7 that it was tested the day before picking it up). After confirming that the mobo POST and it's stable, I'll reassemble the current test system (an ASUS P5P800SE with a Cedar Mill 3.4ghz P4) and see if that 6600GT still works. If it does, it's a mistery. If it doesn't, then there's something wrong with the connector on it and it probably need replacing.

I wonder how easy are they to replace and if they can even be modded to use a 6pin PCIe connector.

Reply 11 of 15, by myne

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The solder looks fine on the board. It practically looks new.

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Reply 12 of 15, by Mondodimotori

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myne wrote on Yesterday, 14:15:

The solder looks fine on the board. It practically looks new.

Yup, it does, but I have another update...This won't make me look good.

After many hours testing that Abit KV7, fighting with VIA chipsets and their lovely support for SATA drives (and a CMOS that wont keep settings after disconnecting power even with a brand new battery, a problem for another thread in the future), I reassembled the previous machine (an ASUS P5P800SE with a Cedar Mill 3.4ghz P4) on the test bench to perform a final test on the 6600GT.
Just, before testing the problematig 6600GT, I mounted in the known working 6600GT, since I saw some smudge on the AGP connector that wasn't there before, cleaned it up and wanted to see if it works.

It now showed the same power issue after a few seconds of 3DMark.
I switch the MOLEX connector on the PSU, and now it worked.
I put back in the problematic 6600GT, using the MOLEX connector that works, and the GPU still worked fine.

Maybe I have three PSUs that have always worked fine but, for whatever reason, have problems with the molex connector?

Ok, these PSUs are:

  • One (alredy mentioned several times here on VOGONS) a chinesium unit I got brand new a couple of years ago, I still use it on low powered benches because it survived no issues an OCd Q6600, so it can't be that bad.
  • Another is a decade old Thermal master, but it has a known history, since I got it from my boss PC and he used it for a decade doing CAD workloads on a 4th gen i5, powerig it no issues till I took it home with me last year.
  • The third is also not new, it was recovered from a scrapped late 775 gaming rig, an Enermax Pro82+ that, until last spring, was happily powering my 4790k + 1070ti.

All there three units have shown to be reliable. Yet they don't like the MOLEX connectors on these AGP cards. Now I'm even wondering if it's them that caused all those issues I experienced with previous AGP cards with MOLEX connector.
Maybe AGP cards with that MOLEX connector require power that more recent PSUs made with PCIe in mind can't support?
Are there even adapters that I could use to power these MOLEX cards with a PCIe connector?
Or there could be something fishy lurking in the board, actually?

Or am I just a nincompoop?

Reply 13 of 15, by Ozzuneoj

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You are definitely not a nincompoop. 🤣

It's hard to diagnose from afar, especially with these issues that come and go.

Let's narrow it down to the one power-related component that has remained the same in your testing: The motherboard.

The ASUS P5P800SE could have bad capacitors that are causing AGP issues. It is possible for one card\board combination to be more sensitive than others. As for why the issue would eventually go away after reconnecting the molex several times... that is a mystery. Maybe the repeated power cycles did something to the caps that temporarily worked in your favor... though that's just a random guess. It's hard to say.

Or... it could be the AGP connector. You mentioned that there was a smudge on the AGP slot. It's possible there is something on one or more pins in the slot and even the slight movement from reconnecting the molex was enough to improve the connection over time. Pulling a card out and putting another in could have re-contaminated the pins again.

Pins in a slot can also get stuck, but this is pretty uncommon in my experience. If you notice, when you put a card in a slot you can see the tops of the pins move out away from the card. If you pull the card back out and some pins don't return to center it's possible that they are gunked up and may have intermittent connection when inserting cards.

I would take a quick look for any caps that are visibly bloated\round\leaking on top or that are at an angle because the bottoms have bulged. If you don't see anything like that, then focus on the AGP slot itself. If it isn't that, then take a closer look at the caps, just in case some are failing but are not visibly bad. Write down the brands\series of caps and let us know what they are. Some batches of boards could have been built with known problematic caps, where others may be fine.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 14 of 15, by agent_x007

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That message means something is wrong with Molex/6-pin (or sense curcuit).

If you are using Molex extension - get rid of it, if still appears - change plug itself (best practice is to take molex from different wire bundle for example).
Worn out Molex will have issues with contacts (cleaning using contact cleaner or deoxit should fix it, if it's just grime).
Worst case, you may have to remove pins from molex plug, crush/"modify" them to proper shape, and then insert them once again.

Also, always keep in mind that this may not be PSU side problem, Molex on GPU itself may be also worn out (but this is way less likely than PSU side, and GPU one is harder to fix).
In general, you can also just swap PSUs, however worn out Molex plugs can be quite a problem on used ones in general.

Reply 15 of 15, by Mondodimotori

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Ozzuneoj wrote on Yesterday, 19:57:
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You are definitely not a nincompoop. 🤣

It's hard to diagnose from afar, especially with these issues that come and go.

Let's narrow it down to the one power-related component that has remained the same in your testing: The motherboard.

The ASUS P5P800SE could have bad capacitors that are causing AGP issues. It is possible for one card\board combination to be more sensitive than others. As for why the issue would eventually go away after reconnecting the molex several times... that is a mystery. Maybe the repeated power cycles did something to the caps that temporarily worked in your favor... though that's just a random guess. It's hard to say.

Or... it could be the AGP connector. You mentioned that there was a smudge on the AGP slot. It's possible there is something on one or more pins in the slot and even the slight movement from reconnecting the molex was enough to improve the connection over time. Pulling a card out and putting another in could have re-contaminated the pins again.

Pins in a slot can also get stuck, but this is pretty uncommon in my experience. If you notice, when you put a card in a slot you can see the tops of the pins move out away from the card. If you pull the card back out and some pins don't return to center it's possible that they are gunked up and may have intermittent connection when inserting cards.

I would take a quick look for any caps that are visibly bloated\round\leaking on top or that are at an angle because the bottoms have bulged. If you don't see anything like that, then focus on the AGP slot itself. If it isn't that, then take a closer look at the caps, just in case some are failing but are not visibly bad. Write down the brands\series of caps and let us know what they are. Some batches of boards could have been built with known problematic caps, where others may be fine.

Visually the boards looks good, the caps too. I have to point out that this MOBO's page on "The Retro Web" does list it as prone to "leaky capacitors" like most ASUS boards of the period. That's why I inspected it as soon as I got it (and then got refunded because the seller, a big german ebay store, got it to me in these conditions in these conditions ), but the caps looks all good. I don't even know if it was recapped before being sold, since the seller listed it as "refurbished".

But since I have that KV7 ready to go, and I need to test a couple of thing to see if I can solve the issue of the CMOS not saving itself after disconnecting power, I may as well test these cards on that board too. But I doubt it's a problem with the MOBO, since if I switch the molex connector back again the issue appears again. On both GPUs now.
Anyway, I'll just post a few pictures of the caps with the markings visible:

Capacitors on the ASUS board
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agent_x007 wrote on Today, 14:09:
That message means something is wrong with Molex/6-pin (or sense curcuit). […]
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That message means something is wrong with Molex/6-pin (or sense curcuit).

If you are using Molex extension - get rid of it, if still appears - change plug itself (best practice is to take molex from different wire bundle for example).
Worn out Molex will have issues with contacts (cleaning using contact cleaner or deoxit should fix it, if it's just grime).
Worst case, you may have to remove pins from molex plug, crush/"modify" them to proper shape, and then insert them once again.

Also, always keep in mind that this may not be PSU side problem, Molex on GPU itself may be also worn out (but this is way less likely than PSU side, and GPU one is harder to fix).
In general, you can also just swap PSUs, however worn out Molex plugs can be quite a problem on used ones in general.

I think you should read all the replies in the thread, because it evolved in strange and mysterious ways from that first post.