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First post, by Hater Depot

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I have a K7T Turbo with an XP 1800 in it (after flashing the BIOS). I'm wondering if higher Athlon XP's would work. In theory it would seem that any Palomino core up to 2100 should work, and so should any Thoroughbred-A that uses 266Mhz FSB. If so I could put in a 2600 and see a big jump in performance. In practice, of course, there's no guarantee the motherboard would correctly recognize the chip or even that it would work at all. Any thoughts? Is there something I can do to make it more likely a newer chip will work correctly?

Reply 1 of 16, by swaaye

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I ran a Barton core on a KT266A mobo for a while. It didn't recognize the CPU, but it worked fine. I had to do a socket wire mod to get a high multiplier for the CPU to be clocked decently though. Important to have a CPU with unlocked multi or make sure you get one that is designed for 133 MHz FSB.

Going way back to KT133A or so is going to be more questionable though. Worth a try of course.

Reply 2 of 16, by prophase_j

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I'm using an XP-M 2500+ (rated at 1.8ghz) in my KT133a Based board right now. This one is based off the Barton core, and I have also used T-breds aswell. The problem is that at this stage, the sockets are only wired up with a 4 bit FDIV, meaning you have a max selectable multiplier of 12.5. This yields a net clock of 1.67ghz. I incorrectly assumed that if a get a chip with a higher default multiplier it would run at that setting. I was never able to figure out if this was the result of using an unlocked chip, or if it would be the same with a locked one. I used to have a lot of stability problems since I was using a grossly underrated power supply, and as a result in the beginning I only ran at 11.5x100. Once those issues were addressed and the machine tuned up another 500mhz plus the faster FSB settings, I have kinda put the whole wiremod thing on the back burner. I find that my 1.67ghz AXP is comparable to my 2.6ghz P4.

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Reply 3 of 16, by Hater Depot

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Hmmm... are Bartons supported by your BIOS? Even after the update mine officially supports only up to Palomino 1800, but like I said, in theory most others should work as well. I figure MSI probably just never bothered to test them.

Reply 4 of 16, by prophase_j

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Yeah they work, just not offically. I have an updated bios and it didn't detect it either, it just says Unknown CPU. AMD did a pretty good job of keeping the Socket A processors cross compatible. In my experience as long as the voltage is set properly it should work. Every chip I have tried runs at either 100 or 133 FSB, even if they are rated for higher. The only issues left is one of multipliers.

At this point you have managed to pique my curiosity, I have always wondered how the BIOS and such would deal with a wiremod. Maybe I'll just bit the bullet, grab some wire and a tweezers and give it a go.

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Reply 5 of 16, by elfuego

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Havent seen this topic on time, but let me tell you that bartons will work flawlessly on old kt133a motherboards. The only trick is to get an unlocked mobility barton 2600+ and up; that way the default multiplier is >13x which enables multipliers up to 24x. Here is the multiplier cross-reference:
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/Multiplier … s_reference.htm

And here some more info:
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0exft/cpu.html

Reply 6 of 16, by prophase_j

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That's kind of frustrating.. I saw that my BIOS gave me a max multiplier of 14x so I picked a XP-M 2500+ figuring at the worst case I could default it.. well turns out the 14x setting is actually mapped to a lower setting (to make the 1400mhz 100fsb Athlon work), and again making it peak at 12.5x. I wish I would have known better. Last time I was messing with pin-mods the wire I had was too thick of a gauge for me to stick the processor back in after setting in 4 or 5 different pin-jumps. I think I had pretty much isolated the pin that enables the 5th bit, maybe next time I take it apart I'll just make the one jump and see if I can get up to the 2ghz range.

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Reply 7 of 16, by Kiwi

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At one time, I had a pair of Gigabyte GA7-ZXE systems on hand at the same time, one Rev 0, the other a newer revision. The older one, no matter what BIOS flash had been attempted, never recognized any XP faster than a 1500. The other one worked fine with a Palomino 2100, but that was its top limit. It still worked with a 2600, but treated it as a 2100.

Neither one of them ever worked correctly with XP-M processors any faster than whatever an XP 1800 ran at (I can't recall what the older one did with a mobile XP). I ended up turning number two into a second rank loaner, with an old Thunderbird 1400 in it, and a fairly sizablke cooler to handle the waste heat. The oldest one suddenly died one day, after a short warning period of rapidly worsening instability.

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Reply 8 of 16, by Martes

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Hello. I'm graphic card collector and for some time, I think about using KT133A platform as my test bench. For my purposes, KT133A mainboard can offer:
- universal AGP slot supports 3,3 and 1,5V graphic cards, sometimes even in pro variant
- it can have also ISA slot
So this enables me to test anything before PCIe except VLB 😉
My idea was to use some Athlon CPU with just 133MHz FSB and high multiplier, like Thoroughbred 2400+ (15x133 2GHz). Do you have any idea, if such locked CPU can run at KT133A and if with 15 multiplier?

Today I use Pentium III. It is similar platform but with KT133A I can potentially use even faster CPUs.

Reply 9 of 16, by mockingbird

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Martes wrote on 2026-01-14, 06:21:
Hello. I'm graphic card collector and for some time, I think about using KT133A platform as my test bench. For my purposes, KT13 […]
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Hello. I'm graphic card collector and for some time, I think about using KT133A platform as my test bench. For my purposes, KT133A mainboard can offer:
- universal AGP slot supports 3,3 and 1,5V graphic cards, sometimes even in pro variant
- it can have also ISA slot
So this enables me to test anything before PCIe except VLB 😉
My idea was to use some Athlon CPU with just 133MHz FSB and high multiplier, like Thoroughbred 2400+ (15x133 2GHz). Do you have any idea, if such locked CPU can run at KT133A and if with 15 multiplier?

Today I use Pentium III. It is similar platform but with KT133A I can potentially use even faster CPUs.

This is not a good idea. In my experience, it is a very sensitive platform and I would not recommend it as a testing platform.

Yes, you will need to unlock the CPU by connecting one of the bridges, and probably also need to unlock the high multipliers by bridging at least two pins on the underside of the board at the socket's pins.

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Reply 10 of 16, by The Serpent Rider

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If a board can work at least with Palomino reliably, it will most likely work with any other Athlon XP.

I must be some kind of standard: the anonymous gangbanger of the 21st century.

Reply 12 of 16, by Martes

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mockingbird wrote on 2026-01-14, 12:10:
Martes wrote on 2026-01-14, 06:21:
Hello. I'm graphic card collector and for some time, I think about using KT133A platform as my test bench. For my purposes, KT13 […]
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Hello. I'm graphic card collector and for some time, I think about using KT133A platform as my test bench. For my purposes, KT133A mainboard can offer:
- universal AGP slot supports 3,3 and 1,5V graphic cards, sometimes even in pro variant
- it can have also ISA slot
So this enables me to test anything before PCIe except VLB 😉
My idea was to use some Athlon CPU with just 133MHz FSB and high multiplier, like Thoroughbred 2400+ (15x133 2GHz). Do you have any idea, if such locked CPU can run at KT133A and if with 15 multiplier?

Today I use Pentium III. It is similar platform but with KT133A I can potentially use even faster CPUs.

This is not a good idea. In my experience, it is a very sensitive platform and I would not recommend it as a testing platform.

Yes, you will need to unlock the CPU by connecting one of the bridges, and probably also need to unlock the high multipliers by bridging at least two pins on the underside of the board at the socket's pins.

Why I need to unlock the CPU? Multiplier 15 is fine for me. What will happen if I try to use the CPU simply as it is?

Reply 13 of 16, by mockingbird

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Martes wrote on 2026-01-14, 18:49:

Why I need to unlock the CPU? Multiplier 15 is fine for me. What will happen if I try to use the CPU simply as it is?

Don't quote me on this, this is from memory. Socket A CPUs past something like week 40 of 2002 are multiplier locked.

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Reply 14 of 16, by cyclone3d

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For KT133A, and higher multiplier usage, you need to:
1. Make sure the board supports the 5th multiplier bit via pin-mod / by jumpering the appropriate pins in the socket with a single strand of wire so tibia easily reversible.

2. Make sure there is a BIOS - most likely modded) - or able to be patched for Barton.

3. Mobile Barton CPUs are the bomb-diggity.

Best readily available Kt133A board for this is the KT7A / KT7A-RAID. If the capacitors have not already been replaced, it will be required. I bought a NOS one quite a while ago and the first time I powered it up, multiple capacitors exploded.

With the correct setup, you can get 2.3-2.4Ghz out of one of these boards.

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Reply 15 of 16, by Martes

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cyclone3d wrote on 2026-01-14, 20:10:
For KT133A, and higher multiplier usage, you need to: 1. Make sure the board supports the 5th multiplier bit via pin-mod / by ju […]
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For KT133A, and higher multiplier usage, you need to:
1. Make sure the board supports the 5th multiplier bit via pin-mod / by jumpering the appropriate pins in the socket with a single strand of wire so tibia easily reversible.

2. Make sure there is a BIOS - most likely modded) - or able to be patched for Barton.

3. Mobile Barton CPUs are the bomb-diggity.

Best readily available Kt133A board for this is the KT7A / KT7A-RAID. If the capacitors have not already been replaced, it will be required. I bought a NOS one quite a while ago and the first time I powered it up, multiple capacitors exploded.

With the correct setup, you can get 2.3-2.4Ghz out of one of these boards.

Understood that to use unlocked CPU I need to make a mod to be able to set higher multiplier by mainboard. But what if I use CPU locked with higher multiplier, e. g. 15? KT133A mainboards usually support max 14. My expectation is that CPU should anyway ignore mainboard multiplier settings and use locked multiplier. Or it will simply not boot? I just wander what will happen. Thank you.

Reply 16 of 16, by FullYes

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Based on my escapades with my KT133A based Soltek SL75-KAV;

You can mod the bios using bios patcher to recognise CPU
You can do the pin mod easily enough

But!

For some reason my board and some other boards will only work with multiplier of 17x (2266MHz) so you need an an XP-M 2500+ or a good (and unlocked) 3200+to achieve that. I could not achieve it with a 3000+

At least 1 person on here with a KT7A had a similar experience.

I saw a post on here that suggested a locked multiplier CPU will work and boot at the locked setting. But I don’t think it would have worked in my case