Reply 20 of 68, by keropi
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virge3D is an added bonus feature. not to be taken seriously.
virge3D is an added bonus feature. not to be taken seriously.
wrote:The Virge is painstakingly slow in D3D.I've got 3 of em here from the old times and they all work but I really can't stand them.Even Tomb Raider is sometimes slow with the patch applied.
This is where you are supposed to add 3dfx Voodoo 1 😀
The best retro combo of them all: Virge + V1!
I think my fav Virge game is probably Terminal Velocity. Virge is the only card they wrote 3D support for. It's perfectly playable.
Consider this: Virge is a more successful 3D accelerator than NVIDIA's NV1. It supports more games and cost dramatically less. 😉
ah... Terminal Velocity... what an awesome game that was! I somewhat remember the virge patch, need to check it again!
I remember playing Desvent virge3D, it was OK... mainly it just added filtering AFAIR 😀
Terminal Velocity? I remember playing the shareware version version again and again and again..... The music and the afterburner speed sensation! One of the first games which provided extreme speed sensation.
That time, I was unable to get a full version of it. Perhaps it's time to get one to use with my classic system.
I got a fully-boxed copy on eBay this summer! it is quite rare to get a complete box...
wrote:I got a fully-boxed copy on eBay this summer! it is quite rare to get a complete box...
Wow! Yes, quite rare.
I tried running Descent 2 on a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 Pro. At the DOS prompt, I run the D2 virge .exe, but it complains that it can't find the Virge chip, but printed on the Stealth chip, it says S3 Virge/DX.
I ran into that with a Virge GX too, with Terminal Velocity. I think the old S3 "S3D" ports look for the Virge 325 chip specifically.
I just tried that Terminal Velocity 3D patch....
It doesn't work with a Virge DX (PCI ID S3 8A01).
It will start with "Elsa Winner 2000 AVI/3D" Virge VX (PCI ID S3 883D) but has misplaced horizontal lines on the screen. I've tried two of those cards. UniVBE 6.7 didn't help.
1+1=10
The TV S3 patch works perfect with a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 (Virge 325).
Oh well so no TV 3D for me 😀
1+1=10
From your experiences and posts here, it seems worthwhile to hang on to the 86C325 chipset when it comes to the ViRGE family.
So if i may when running 2 cards say gfx or sound each one is fora different mode or certain programs correct? They have just stared doing this again but with on board gfx and i think it powered down the pci-e card when doing 2d stuff to save power and drop temps.
What would be the advantages for getting a 4mb over a 2mb unit?
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Athlon XP-M 2200+ // Epox 8KTA3
Radeon 9800xt // Voodoo2 SLI
Diamond MX300 // SB AWE64 Gold
wrote:What would be the advantages for getting a 4mb over a 2mb unit?
Getting higher 2D resolutions with a wider color depth. 😎
wrote:wrote:What would be the advantages for getting a 4mb over a 2mb unit?
Getting higher 2D resolutions with a wider color depth. 😎
Will the 4MB make a game, say Duke Nukem 3d, run faster at 800x600 resolution, running in the same system, when compared to the 2MB variant?
No but it will run flicker-free at 1024x768 as it has more than two frames availible (build engine issue).
1+1=10
My 3D 2000 Pro doesn't do Virge games, and so I was considering getting the non-Pro version. I quite like the idea of playing Descent 2 in Virge mode. But then I read this -
http://www.myrkul.org/virge.html
The gist of the review appears to be poor frame rates. The reviewer is using a Pentium 1 @ 133. I wonder what would happen if this was swapped out for something faster, such as a P2 or better? Perhaps the card fairs better for less demanding, slightly older Virge ports, and would therefore be a worthwhile purchase?
Oh trust me the Virge is the limiter here. 😀
Virge can put out pretty 3D actually, with lots of features, but it's usually too slow to really be enjoyable.