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First post, by avalpreda

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Hello,

I recently downloaded Great Naval battles 3. Of course the files are not on a CD ROM and I have no idea on how to install in onto this computer. The computer is running Vista 32. I have downloaded DOSbox and tried to initialize an install by simply extracting all the files to a folder and then typing the command in Dosbox C:\GNB3\GNB3.exe

But that didn't do anything. what am I doing wrong? I used to play this game when it first came out, but I haven't a clue about DOS commands...

Reply 1 of 10, by catchaserguns

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Where did you download it? If it is an abandonware site we don't support it. Go to where you downloaded it and have them help you.

Reply 2 of 10, by avalpreda

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www.hotud.org
Is that an abandonware site? If so, what does that mean and why wouldn't anyone here be able to help me?

Reply 4 of 10, by catchaserguns

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Abandonware is illegal. Most if not all the games in an abandonware site are pirated games. This site does not support such games because Dosbox is meant only for legally acquired games. What you do is your own business but they can't help you. Go to the site where you got it from and ask them in their forum. I'm pretty sure that they will help you.

Reply 5 of 10, by sliderider

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catchaserguns wrote:

Abandonware is illegal. Most if not all the games in an abandonware site are pirated games. This site does not support such games because Dosbox is meant only for legally acquired games. What you do is your own business but they can't help you. Go to the site where you got it from and ask them in their forum. I'm pretty sure that they will help you.

Agreed. We don't discuss "alternative" channels of software distribution because it could leave the forum owner and possibly even the members open to legal liability if anyone decides to sue for copyright infringement. You'll find most legit forums will have the same rule.

Just because a game is old, doesn't mean the copyright has expired. It's now the life of the original creator plus 70 years for individual works and either 95 years from date of first publication or 120 years from creation, whichever is earliest, for corporate works before it expires thanks to Sonny Bono. Mickey Mouse was supposed to be placed in the public domain in 2003 but now I don't think he will be considered PD until 2023 at the earliest if it isn't extended again. Computer software has a considerably longer way to go before becoming PD unless the copyright holder decides to release it early. It'll be the 22nd century before software created in the 80's, 90's and up to today becomes PD under the current rules.

Reply 6 of 10, by catchaserguns

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In other words they can close down Dosbox.

Reply 7 of 10, by sliderider

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catchaserguns wrote:

In other words they can close down Dosbox.

No, they can't close down DOSBox in the same way that the RIAA and MPAA couldn't close down file sharing. Unless DOSBox infringes on someone else's copyrighted code it is perfectly legal. Merely creating the means to do something questionable isn't the same as actually doing it. The people who share music and movies can be held liable for their actions if they are caught, but the creators of Kazaa and Bittorrent cannot.

The only reason the "abandonware" sites exist is because they depend on the fact that many of the copyright holders either won't know about them or won't care. I have seen on one site where they posted notices of having to remove certain games because they received cease and desist letters from the copyright holders. The man who owns the copyright to the Wolfenstein name is particularly vigilant about his IP being distributed without his consent and sends out letters all the time. That's why you won't find the original Wolfenstein game for download anywhere, because he actively protects his copyrights. Many don't, though. Either they don't care or they don't feel it's worth engaging a lawyer to generate a C&D letter or in some cases the copyright holder may be dead and his rights might be in limbo or someone may even own a copyright they are unaware of. The way businesses merge, buy each other out and transfer assets to others leaves a lot of uncertainty about who owns what sometimes BUT that still doesn't make it legal to distribute the copyrighted property of others.

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Reply 8 of 10, by leileilol

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the big problem is the 'blind idiot promotion' side of things that causes the false ideology of abandonware to be spread as if it were okay and fine (and it is most definitely not)
that's why it's so rampant here these days

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Reply 9 of 10, by sliderider

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leileilol wrote:

the big problem is the 'blind idiot promotion' side of things that causes the false ideology of abandonware to be spread as if it were okay and fine (and it is most definitely not)
that's why it's so rampant here these days

And let's not forget the many who think it's ok to distribute arcade and console ROMS or disc images for use with emulators. I have one Playstation emulator that I use BUT that emulator is capable of reading the discs directly from my DVD drive. I don't have to go swimming in the muddy waters of software piracy to get games to play.

Reply 10 of 10, by catchaserguns

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Thank you for correcting me on my statement about Dosbox in my last post. I sometimes assume things.