According to PCI sound cards and Chipsets from various manufacturers... , there is simply no way you will get any kind of DOS legacy support from a PCI Sound Blaster card on that board.

OK! I just ordered the Microstar MS-6153 hoping the onboard ES1373 is good for DOS soft-3d gaming 😀

crocodilepeter wrote:

OK! I just ordered the Microstar MS-6153 hoping the onboard ES1373 is good for DOS soft-3d gaming 😀

Have you been able to find DOS drivers for the ES1373..?

On a computer like that i'd just give up and throw DOSBox on there if I seriously want to use that computer to venture into DOS games. Trying to game natively in pure DOS on a modern post-2002 computer is a waste of time, and if it's speed you're dying for, load up an old no-pulse-audio-crap distro of linux ia32, dosemu, and get going at Blood on 1280x1024 with sound

I did a quick Google search, and I heard that a PCI sound card in the Yamaha YMF-7xx series might just suit your needs. You'll probably want to read this link for more info. http://queststudios.com/smf/index.php?topic=3041.0

as for quake your better off with winquake or a port

hmmm... so do i need pure dos for these games? maybe i should try installing some old windows..

I'll experiment and will let you know how it goes .....

this integrated sound chip is soundblaster and ac97 compatible.. I'll get some ISA card if necessary.

I don't like dosbox (it's fine for really old .,..) and all the other emulators.. except amiga emulator which is better than the real amiga.. I have 26 emulators installed but somehow prefer the real retro-ware which I'm going to get 😉 today i'm playing atari 65xe and my modern pc serves as a floppy drive 😀

If you prefer the real thing then I strongly suggest building a new machine made of relevant parts that are known to work with pure DOS and Win9x (i.e. not core2duo). Since you're shooting for the 3d ones, a Pentium II 333 wouldn't be a bad choice. The K6-2 line is also flexible enough

crocodilepeter wrote:

this integrated sound chip is soundblaster and ac97 compatible..

That does not matter in the slightest if you can't find proper DOS drivers. (There are some motherboards that have DOS drivers for their AC97 support, but they're pretty old.)

OK thank you,
I'm still waiting for the package (MS-6153+PIII 877) asaigit working I'll be asking for some more help .....

In short you want ISA slots for DOS games. For 3D and SVGA games I highly recommend a Pentium 3 system. Slot 1 or S370 are easy to find and many boards have ISA slots.

A fast P3 is awesome for SVGA!

I think this is one of those situations where some sort of a software-based SoundBlaster emulation driver would come in really handy. I think the way it would work, is that it would do the SoundBlaster emulation (possibly based on DosBox's?) on the CPU, and it would use the universal AC97 driver from MPXPlay to output the audio, so that you could essentially have SoundBlaster compatibility on any machine with a modern soundcard.

it's called VDMSound.
Of course it requires you to install the windows NT family

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

I think this is one of those situations where some sort of a software-based SoundBlaster emulation driver would come in really handy. I think the way it would work, is that it would do the SoundBlaster emulation (possibly based on DosBox's?) on the CPU, and it would use the universal AC97 driver from MPXPlay to output the audio, so that you could essentially have SoundBlaster compatibility on any machine with a modern soundcard.

That is a matter for the MPXPlay developers, then.

A quick glance reveals that they actually have a thread about it here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpxplay/forum … 8/topic/3079341

Key takeaway:

- Old legacy games talk directly to ISA SB ports, and have no (good) way to plug in a new driver

ok I got it but it's sloooow !
I give up 😵
- play super smooth @ high resolutions and good refresh rate /no sound on my new pc
- play with sound but slower than dosbox and bad vid quality
my only choices...

I understand that you're playing the DOS game Blood on a Pentium 3 machine, which is running at 877 MHz, and that you don't like it because the game's frame rate seems too low. What operating system are you using? Eg DOS 6.x or 7, or "dos in a box" inside Windows 9x. What graphics card are you using? And finally, what screen resolution have you got Blood set to?

retro games 100 wrote:

I understand that you're playing the DOS game Blood on a Pentium 3 machine, which is running at 877 MHz, and that you don't like it because the game's frame rate seems too low. What operating system are you using? Eg DOS 6.x or 7, or "dos in a box" inside Windows 9x. What graphics card are you using? And finally, what screen resolution have you got Blood set to?

yes that's right 🙁 it's DOS 7.1 and the gfx card is geforce 4 mx - not many vesa modes (pci-express radeon HD has many more), 1024x768 was too slow so I played 800x600.. if it helps I'll get some better gpu and install win95 ..

I'd like to try running Blood on my P3 rig, and see what configuration it needs to get this game running fast and smoothly. What is this game's highest screen resolution? Is it 1024x768? I'll have a look online for a demo of this game, but perhaps buying the full game will give me more options to mess about with, including the graphics. Do you happen to know if that's the case?

I see that gog.com is selling this game. Do you happen to know if I can simply copy over the downloaded files to a Win9x/DOS-based HDD, and just run the game as if it was a "pure DOS" installed game? Or does gog.com meddle with their DOS games, to make it impossible to run them outside of their supported operating system base, which I believe is Windows XP and upwards. Thanks a lot for any advice.

retro games 100 wrote:

What is this game's highest screen resolution? Is it 1024x768?

1600x1200x8