"Auto-aim" feature is for n00bz anyway, I prefer skillz!!1 😁

Tetrium wrote:

I watched some footage of DNF on youtube while being played on the xbox. The guy kept getting frustrated by the xbox's lousy controls and I could feel the pain!
Why would anyone ever want to bother playing a FPS on a console anyway, it's interface kinda sucks.
The guy kept pressing the wrong buttons by accident all the time and had a worse accuracy then a blind man

I used to have no problem pulling off fast head shots in Call of Duty using the game controller. I don't understand why so many people would rather play with mouse and keyboard. I find it more difficult.

Malik wrote:

Tetrium, that's what I think too - why do they bother using the gamepad for playing first-person perspective shooters. […]
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Tetrium wrote:

I watched some footage of DNF on youtube while being played on the xbox. The guy kept getting frustrated by the xbox's lousy controls and I could feel the pain!
Why would anyone ever want to bother playing a FPS on a console anyway, it's interface kinda sucks.
The guy kept pressing the wrong buttons by accident all the time and had a worse accuracy then a blind man

Tetrium, that's what I think too - why do they bother using the gamepad for playing first-person perspective shooters.

But trust me, there are some who vehemently stand by the "superiority" of the gamepad controllers in FPS. In fact, there are some who will even laugh at anyone using the keyb-mouse combo for playing these games, saying the gamepads are "more accurate" , and "challenging" any pc player using the keyb-mouse combo to go against them. Some even boast that they "can make a headshot even before the pc player can move the mouse."

(I'm glad I didn't participate in those kiddies' forums.)

Well, I can understand there are skills that you can get proficient at with lots of practice, and may even master the skill completely, but, there are always certain methods or instruments that are more suitable for a particular job.

Maybe these console owners can't be bothered with the complexities of setting up the PC for gaming. It's easier to pop in a disc into a console and start playing straight away, anyway, rather than adjusting the graphics, audio, gameplay, keyboard mappings, etc. And all these AFTER making sure the pc can handle the game properly with the presence of the right CPU, GPU and RAM.

(Wow, we're good aren't we? So many things to do, yet we do them all before playing a single game!)

Maybe these console-gamepad-fps-users have "Auto-aim" feature turned ON. Maybe the console versions come with the default setting set to on.

Maybe, and just maybe, they don't even realize the auto-aim feature is turned on! 🤣

(P.S. I too have 3 consoles, but I don't like playing FPS with them. 😁)

You're making an assumption that people who play FPS games are all playing from a PC. With a console you have to learn to use a game controller because most console gamers don't use mice or keyboards.

Personally I find the game controller easier because you have all the controls you need at your fingertips instead of having to work a mouse with one hand then hunt for keys on the keyboard with the other. How anyone can find mouse and keyboard better is beyond me because it's much more difficult than a game controller.

sliderider wrote:

Personally I find the game controller easier because you have all the controls you need at your fingertips instead of having to work a mouse with one hand then hunt for keys on the keyboard with the other. How anyone can find mouse and keyboard better is beyond me because it's much more difficult than a game controller.

Using WASD hardly requires any kind of "hunting". Neither does touch-typing, for that matter.

Jorpho wrote:

sliderider wrote:

Personally I find the game controller easier because you have all the controls you need at your fingertips instead of having to work a mouse with one hand then hunt for keys on the keyboard with the other. How anyone can find mouse and keyboard better is beyond me because it's much more difficult than a game controller.

Using WASD hardly requires any kind of "hunting". Neither does touch-typing, for that matter.

And what happens if you accidentally hit a wrong key or your finger slips? You lose, that's what happens. And not everyone can touch type. Most people still need to see the key they are hitting, which takes their attention away from the screen. Plus, you're only talking about the movement keys. It's easy enough to handle those with one hand, but what happens when you need to use other keys? Also, once you move your hand away from the direction keys to do something else, how can you be sure you're putting it back in the right place without looking? You don't worry about that with a gamepad because everything you need is a smaller space and more easily accessible.

sliderider wrote:

And what happens if you accidentally hit a wrong key or your finger slips? You lose, that's what happens.

You can say the same thing for game controllers. "But that's not likely!" is the obvious response. To which I reply, it's just as unlikely for someone's finger to slip or to hit a wrong key if they're experienced with typing.

And not everyone can touch type.

Okay, then I guess those people won't like using mice and keyboards. Everyone else manages quite nicely.

Most people still need to see the key they are hitting

Citation needed. Are we talking "most of the world population", or "most PC gamers", or what?

Also, once you move your hand away from the direction keys to do something else, how can you be sure you're putting it back in the right place without looking?

That is the primary purpose of the raised lump on the F or D key.

well, there's still some practical use of gamepads on FPSes on the PC.

(not my video, but i'm also learning how to do this)

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sliderider wrote:

And what happens if you accidentally hit a wrong key or your finger slips? You lose, that's what happens.

You can say the same thing for game controllers. "But that's not likely!" is the obvious response. To which I reply, it's just as unlikely for someone's finger to slip or to hit a wrong key if they're experienced with typing.

And not everyone can touch type.

Okay, then I guess those people won't like using mice and keyboards. Everyone else manages quite nicely.

Most people still need to see the key they are hitting

Citation needed. Are we talking "most of the world population", or "most PC gamers", or what?

Also, once you move your hand away from the direction keys to do something else, how can you be sure you're putting it back in the right place without looking?

That is the primary purpose of the raised lump on the F or D key.

I don't need to cite anything. You are the one who mentioned touch typing and I mentioned that this is not a skill that most people have to any great degree, which is the truth. I don't know a single person who can type with any degree of speed or accuracy without looking down at the keyboard. If the skill were as widespread as you say, I should know at least a few people who can do it out of the hundreds that i know.

sliderider wrote:

I don't know a single person who can type with any degree of speed or accuracy

And I didn't mention "speed or accuracy". Typing 100 WPM and rocking back and forth around nine keys on one side of the keyboard are two very different things.

sliderider wrote:

If the skill were as widespread as you say, I should know at least a few people who can do it out of the hundreds that i know.

So when you get to know someone, one of the first things you learn is their typing ability..?

Jorpho wrote:

sliderider wrote:

If the skill were as widespread as you say, I should know at least a few people who can do it out of the hundreds that i know.

So when you get to know someone, one of the first things you learn is their typing ability..?

No, I learn their typing ability if they also happen to be more than just a casual computer user when I see them in action over a keyboard.

sliderider wrote:

Jorpho wrote:

sliderider wrote:

If the skill were as widespread as you say, I should know at least a few people who can do it out of the hundreds that i know.

So when you get to know someone, one of the first things you learn is their typing ability..?

No, I learn their typing ability if they also happen to be more than just a casual computer user when I see them in action over a keyboard.

I know hundreds of people, and I've probably never watched more than a few of them type.

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sliderider wrote:

Jorpho wrote:

So when you get to know someone, one of the first things you learn is their typing ability..?

No, I learn their typing ability if they also happen to be more than just a casual computer user when I see them in action over a keyboard.

I know hundreds of people, and I've probably never watched more than a few of them type.

Then you probably don't know many who use computers more than casually. Most of the people I know play games a lot and if using a keyboard were an advantage, they'd be much better typists than they are. I've hardly seen anyone in my life who can play for hours at a time using a keyboard without ever looking away from the action on screen or who can reach for a particular key when typing without looking and hit it consistently.

sliderider wrote:

Then you probably don't know many who use computers more than casually.

I do, but I don't watch them while they use computers. Why on Earth would I? Why do you?

I've hardly seen anyone in my life who can play for hours at a time using a keyboard without ever looking away from the action on screen or who can reach for a particular key when typing without looking and hit it consistently.

Whatever, dude. Your remark was that you couldn't see how anyone could find mouse and keyboard better. Clearly people exist who most emphatically do not find it much more difficult than a game controller, even if you don't know any of them.

I never look at the keyboard. Ever. Especially while gaming. But I use the numpad and surrounding keys rather than WASD and the sea of keys all around the same area.

Since DNF is released, is it better than Daikatana in single player?

MusicallyInspired wrote:

I never look at the keyboard. Ever. Especially while gaming. But I use the numpad and surrounding keys rather than WASD and the sea of keys all around the same area.

Same. I use the numpad and kinda set up the rest of the keys around that. And I set the left and middle mouse for fire and alt-fire and the right mouse for jump

And thanks for a friend of mine who was always playing flight sims I can't play any shooter nowdays without having to use invert y-axis anymore! 😜

nikiniki wrote:

Since DNF is released, is it better than Daikatana in single player?

In reality, later levels of Daikatana were not bad. I think most people stopped soon after getting their butts chewed by metallic frogs (or whatever they were!) 😀

As for mouse & keyboard vs gamepad..... err, *obviously* the former is better but whatever floats your boat 😜 Could be if you're a 'younger' gamer then I guess a gamepad is what you've started out on/used most so you're likely to be reasonable efficient with it.

Gamepads are for twitchmeisters, I do believe it's for younger peeps as I've been gaming for a long time and can not master the gamepad thing, neither with my old Xbox nor the PS3 😜

It must be a reflex thing that my tired bones can't compete with...

It's not a real gamepad unless it has 2 buttons. 😉

Stick with whatever you're used to whether it be a gamepad or mouse/keyboard, but I perfer the mouse/keyboard mix because the most skilled player with a mouse has a greater advantage than the most skilled player with a gamepad... I've seen the results myself. But again, it doesn't matter how good someone is with either one, stick with whatever you perfer.