Jorpho wrote:The equivalent to a forum is an article's "Discussion" page.
I think it is difficult to include discussion of "clone PCs" since there is no definitive point when at which everything that could be run on an older computer suddenly couldn't be run on a newer computer. It's all very murky and trying to nail it down is just asking for trouble. I mean, can't you still use a PCI Voodoo card in a relatively recent PC, if you wanted to?
I might also argue that Glide wrappers allow 3DFX software to be run just fine on modern computers, and that you might as well start marking the distinction between graphics cards that support different versions of DirectX.
I have already tried to nail it down by creating a new topic specifically for discussion about what makes a computer vintage or retro.
I agree that it's very murky, and I think we can all agree on that.
Yes, you can put a Voodoo 3 PCI in a modern computer, making the computer no longer a retro computer. I actually have a s939 Athlon 3500+ with a 400gig harddrive and a floppydrive made in 1991! But that doesn't make that computer a retro rig. Frankly I don't think anyone is debating that.
Today you can emulate almost any platform on a modern rig, like the NES, but that doesn't make the original NES not retro anymore.
To me the definition isn't about old software not being able to run on a modern rig (because with the help of emulators and wrappers, almost everything will run on a modern rig), it's about old hardware that's considered too old to run modern software BUT is used for the sole purpose of satisfying a thirst for nostalgia.
Dominus wrote:Wikipedia is moderated these days and if you start out by writing that the old page was shit you might get yourself banned. Same […]
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You told me to change the article. Fine, but I won't today. But you also give me the impression that there are actually people wanting to keep things the way they are and will simply undo everything I do, not because what I wrote was wrong, but because what I write doesn't agree with what the ones editing out my changes personally think things should be.
Wikipedia is moderated these days and if you start out by writing that the old page was shit you might get yourself banned. Same for starting a discussion on a wikipedia article on Wikipedia. You better not start off by calling the article shit. Incidentally this is what ticked me off about your thread start. Just because you don't agree on something doesn't warrant calling it shit.
Obviously the authors have a different view on what retro computers and retro gaming is. Calling it shit is not warranted.
(that said, to me Windows games are definitely not retrogames, just maybe Windows 3.x games. But Windows 95 upwards? Not in my opinion)
Cheers 😉
The reason I decided to not try and change things in the article is because I was ticked off. I know that when I'm pissed, I can be really pissed! ...BUT that doesn't mean I'm gonna be doing stupid things, which is why I mentioned I won't be doing any editing until I'm done doing some good backreading first and letting the initial irritation wear off. I know how I am 🤣 😜 And thankfully, I'm not a n00b rusher 😜
But since the retro/vintage debate hasn't christalized yet, I don't see a point in changing it to be more complete as someone else who has a different opinion about retro will simply edit it all back and I don't see a point in starting some kind of "edit forth, edit back infinitum" war. That's not what I want.
And I FINALLY found the discussion "thread", can't believe I missed it -_-
It's right here