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First post, by kithylin

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Okay here's my computer configuration first off:

Dell Optiplex GX-1
Pentium3 550mhz
512mb PC-100 SDRAM
PCI Diamond Stealth II S220 (Rendition Verite)
Sound Blaster SB16 Value ISA sound card

What I'm trying to accomplish: Get 3d acceleration (Whatever mode is supported, i don't care if it is only 1024x768) for descent2 and Quake in PURE MS-DOS 6.22.

I have the machine setup in real-mode native MS-DOS 6.22 for dos gaming on old dos machines, and I dug out my old Rendition Verite card out of the storage unit to try and play some retro games, but they aren't working.

I have the original retail cd-roms for Quake-1 and Descent2, I've installed Descent2, and patched it up to v1.2, and copied over the supposed Rendition Verite Edition folder from the disc to the game folder on the hard drive, run the d2vt.bat and it comes up "Rendition Verite Not Found" and dumps me back to the prompt. As to quake, I have no idea what to do to get it to work in ms-dos mode.

I also have windows 3.11 on the machine, but that's only to give network-LAN access to the machine so i can copy stuff to it off of my other 'modern' computers across the LAN, then drop down to ms-dos and play games again.

Do i need to load some kind of special TSR / driver before games will interface with the card?

Also you can kind of i guess ignore this reply below, I started this topic on something else then re-wrote it, after realizing what card i actually have.

EDIT: Also, could it possibly be just this dell machine being not a 'real computer' in the sense that i had to disable the onboard video to get the Rendition Verite to function at all? could that have anything to do with it?

Last edited by kithylin on 2011-04-19, 04:16. Edited 4 times in total.

Reply 1 of 15, by tannerstevo

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Glidos in DOS? No.

If I were you I would take a look on ebay, I got a voodoo2 a while back for $1 plus postage, you just have to be patient and keep looking.

Yeah, nice edit....

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Reply 3 of 15, by Tetrium

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Welcome to Vogons kithylin! 😉

But I don't know how to fix the issues you're having...so much for 1st impression L O L! 😜

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Reply 4 of 15, by kithylin

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batracio wrote:

Not sure about Descent 2, but for verite acceleration in Quake, you need vQuake:
http://gona.mactar.hu/v1000/

Thanks for that, I'll try it later tonight, still trying to google how to get this thing working with descent2 in dos... bleh, annoyingness 🙁

Reply 6 of 15, by swaaye

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kithylin wrote:

I have the original retail cd-roms for Quake-1 and Descent2, I've installed Descent2, and patched it up to v1.2, and copied over the supposed Rendition Verite Edition folder from the disc to the game folder on the hard drive, run the d2vt.bat and it comes up "Rendition Verite Not Found" and dumps me back to the prompt. As to quake, I have no idea what to do to get it to work in ms-dos mode.

I am happy to assist Rendition fans. 😀

Descent 2 is probably looking for a Verite V1000 instead of your V2100. I don't know if there was a updated Rendition patch for the V2x00.

For Quake you will need VQuake. The newer versions of VQuake should recognize a V2100. GLQuake requires at least Windows 95.

Useful files (particularly the big collection archive)
http://www.mediafire.com/?h2a3k6srt6rnc

Reply 7 of 15, by kithylin

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Alrighty, that explains why descent2 wasn't working, thank you for that information. I haven't gotten Vquake going yet i'll poke with it later, been playing it in win98se on a different machine with GLQuake earlier today.

I like my retro games... I have a Win98se/Win2k dualboot machine for old windows games, and this old dell for ms-dos games. 😀

Do you know if there are any other games for dos that support the Rendition Verite that like Descent2 only work with V1 but not V2, or do most others work with V2 too?

Reply 9 of 15, by kithylin

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Alrighty, well I guess I'll start some trial and error later and start making a list here... should be some useful info for others, i assume.

Reply 10 of 15, by Gona

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Interplay has released Verite patch for Descent II (D2VERITE.ZIP):
http://web.archive.org/web/19970609025101/htt … om/patches.html

This file is well available:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site … iw=1366&bih=655

(I have not tested)

More important:

Royce Liao has written an update program for games/patches to V1000 Speedy3D applications can run on V2x00 chip also.
From it's txt:

(last updated 12/24/97) […]
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(last updated 12/24/97)

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V2DOSFIX.EXE V1.0 12/23/97
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This program fixes Rendition V1000-accelerated MSDOS games so that
v2x00 chips can run them straight from plain-old MSDOS (i.e. no Win95!!!)
V2DOSFIX.EXE modifies the game's exe file, so...

*** PLEASE MAKE A BACKUP OF ALL EXE FILES YOU PLAN TO PATCH WITH V2DOSFIX ***

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The problem
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* Early Speedy3D-API (MSDOS) games do not recognize the V2x00; these
* games refuse to load if they are run from plain MS-DOS. (The V2x00's
* Win95 device drivers trick Speedy3D apps into thinking a V1000 is
* present.) While such games can still be played Win95's DOS-box,
* most people want to play MSDOS games under plain MSDOS.

...

* When a Speedy3D game is run, the program first checks your PC for the * presence of the Rendition Verite V1000. If it ca […]
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* When a Speedy3D game is run, the program first checks your PC for the
* presence of the Rendition Verite V1000. If it can't find the V1000,
* the program kicks the user back to the MSDOS prompt. Hmmm...how can
* we get around this problem? Easy, change the program's code to look
* for our V2100/V2200 !
*
* So... v2dosfix modifies the game's Verite detection() routine. When
* invoked with the specified game-filename, v2dosfix searches for the
* first occurence of the V1000's PCIvendorID (0x1163) and
* PCIdeviceID (0x0001.) Upon locating this pair, V2DOSFIX replaces
* the old deviceID:0x0001 with the V2x00 deviceID (0x2000)
*
* Thus, the modified game exe now checks for the V2100/V2200 (I think
* both chips share the same PCI deviceID.) It will run straight from
* MS-DOS! (Incidentally, the patched-game can still be run a Win95
* dos-box.)

I have tried this V2DOSFIX on Tomb Raider 1 Rendition version and vQuake (these originally not working on V2x00) on my V2200 AGP and after the patching I can play with these games.

(Nowadays it is a bit rare, you can find only on driverguide and a dead link.
I have used three years ago, fortunately I have found on my hard disk.)
swaaye has found, here is the author's current webpage with v2dosfix.zip:
http://reocities.com/siliconvalley/campus/649 … til/myutil.html

God bless Royce Liao! 😁

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