for reference this is what I have in P2 xeon

• 400 100 512 Q626ES
  400 100 512 SL2RH
  400 100 512 SL34H
  400 100 1024 SL2NB
  400 100 1024 SL34J
  400 100 1024 SL35P
  450 100 512 Q799ES
  450 100 512 Q809ES
  450 100 512 SL2XJ
  450 100 512 SL33T
  450 100 512 SL36W
  450 100 1024 Q666
  450 100 1024 Q810ES
  450 100 1024 SL2XK
  450 100 1024 SL33U
  450 100 2048 Q667ES
  450 100 2048 SL2XL
  450 100 2048 SL33V
  DS2P THERM SAMP REV. 1 Q501

and in P3 Xeon

• 400 133 256 QE61ES
  500 100 512 Q879ES
  500 100 512 QB56ES
  500 100 512 SL2XU
  500 100 512 SL3C9
  500 100 512 SL3D9
  500 100 1024 Q883ES
  500 100 1024 QB98ES
  500 100 1024 SL2XV
  500 100 1024 SL3DA
  500 100 2048 SL2XW
  500 100 2048 SL3CB
  500 100 2048 SL3DB
  550 100 512 SL3AJ
  550 100 512 SL3FK
  550 100 512 SL3LM
  550 100 1024 SL3CE
  550 100 1024 SL3LN
  550 100 1024 SL3TW
  550 100 2048 QB76ES
  550 100 2048 SL3CF
  600 133 256 SL3BJ
  600 133 256 SL3SS
  667 133 256 QE66ES
  667 133 256 SL3ST
  667 133 256 SL3WP
  700 100 1024 QX47ES
  700 100 1024 SL49P
  700 100 1024 SL49Q
  700 100 1024 SL4RZ
  700 100 1024 SL4XU
  700 100 1024 SL4XV
  700 100 2048 QZ89
  700 100 2048 SL3WZ
  700 100 2048 SL3X2
  700 100 2048 SL49R
  700 100 2048 SL49S
  700 100 2048 SL4R3
  700 100 2048 SL4XX
  733 133 256 SL3SU
  733 133 256 SL3WR
  733 133 256 SL3WS
  800 133 256 SL3WT
  800 133 256 SL3WU
  800 133 256 SL4H8
  800 100 2048 QU34ES
  866 133 256 SL3WV
  866 133 256 SL3WW
  866 133 256 SL4HA
  900 100 2048 SL4XY
  900 100 2048 SL4XZ
  933 133 256 QY19ES
  933 133 256 SL3WX
  933 133 256 SL3WY
  933 133 256 SL4HC
  1000 133 256 SL4HE
  1000 133 256 SL4HF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msQPHxTUgzI

Impressive collection. 😁

m1919 wrote:

Impressive collection. 😁

thx
getting harder to fill in the gaps.. as I collect on speed, cache, voltage & stepping
also I try to have 2 in each group so i can test in pairs
and they not light buggers to ship to Oz

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m1919 wrote:

Impressive collection. 😁

thx
getting harder to fill in the gaps.. as I collect on speed, cache, voltage & stepping
also I try to have 2 in each group so i can test in pairs
and they not light buggers to ship to Oz

I'm jonesing for a pair of 2.8v 900/2MBs for my XG-DLS. Lol, all I'm seeing these days are 5/12v.

Wowzers, you are certainly better stocked for this comparison than I am!

Now beginning work on the Cyrix MediaGX.

luckybob wrote:

If I had a nice socket 4 board, I would sit up and watch it all night... I havent even seen on on ePay for a while now. At least not one that is 10x overpriced from that a-hole in canada. you know the one.

ANYWHO... I jsut god done writing a term paper for my sister so I should start benchmarking tonight. I have the 1mb and 256kb pentium pro @ 200. they should run fine at all frequencies. I also have the 333 OD's however their multi's are locket to 5x. so 250, 300,333 are all that can be done. I'm not sure 250 is worth doing. but I will see.

I have 3 the same socket 4 boards (soyo PM900 with intel neptune) with all P66 on them and 48mb edo. i have one p60 but i believe i do not have an 60mhz oscillator to run it, i am not sure if it needs it, have to look for the manuals, have it somewhere at the attic.

I also have a XP6NP5 asus with PPRO200 512KB and a PPRO200 256K

Can you muster up 64 MB of RAM, and a Matrox Millennium G200 PCI w/16 MB SDRAM? If possible, a Yamaha DS-XG is also the preferred PCI sound card for these tests.

feipoa wrote:

Since there were no takers on the P60/66 (yet!), I've started asking around. I know a non-vogoner guy who may have a board to unload, but he thinks it is in a heaping pile of computer hardware boxes...somewhere. I'm particularly interested if a P60/66's FPU woud outperform the X5-160 in synthetic benchmarks and in Quake 1, particularly because S4 boards tend to be overly sluggist haredware-wise.

Thanks for noting the S-spec. Is there a list of Klamath S-spec's for the 266 variant which are known to be unlocked?

What a S spec.? unlocked? and as for S4 P66's a am5x86 at 3x150 will be on par with the P66 fpu reliant quake wise anyway.

It has been over 12 years now that i used them systems but my Socket 4 boards run like 16.2FPS and the amd 5x86 at 150 does about 15.8 to 16.0 depends on quality of my used ram mostly.

JaNoZ wrote:

What a S spec.?

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-028738.htm

JaNoZ wrote:

unlocked?

"Unlocked" is refering to the FSB-to-CPU multiplier not being fixed to a specific multiplier on the CPU. Intel, and others, started locking their CPU multipliers at around the time of the Deschutes PII to prevent users from over-clocking.

This comparison could really use one of these,
http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19700

feipoa wrote:

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JaNoZ wrote:

What a S spec.?

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-028738.htm

JaNoZ wrote:

unlocked?

"Unlocked" is refering to the FSB-to-CPU multiplier not being fixed to a specific multiplier on the CPU. Intel, and others, started locking their CPU multipliers at around the time of the Deschutes PII to prevent users from over-clocking.

not so much overclocking, but people CHEATING, by buying 166mhz parts, labeling them at 200 and keeping the extra cash.

For those looking for a G200 PCI for this comparison, this listing seems relatively inexpensive for Americans at $7.99 + shipping ($12).
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/370620365835
He does not have G200 in the title, so maybe it will get overlooked.

feipoa wrote:

For those looking for a G200 PCI for this comparison, this listing seems relatively inexpensive for Americans at $7.99 + shipping ($12).
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/370620365835
He does not have G200 in the title, so maybe it will get overlooked.

Another example of a US seller who is gauging on international shipping. 27.25 dollars.. 🤣. Should be $11

vetz wrote:

feipoa wrote:

For those looking for a G200 PCI for this comparison, this listing seems relatively inexpensive for Americans at $7.99 + shipping ($12).
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/370620365835
He does not have G200 in the title, so maybe it will get overlooked.

Another example of a US seller who is gauging on international shipping. 27.25 dollars.. 🤣. Should be $11

FYI, he is charging $12 for US shipping. But he is the CHEAPEST TOTAL price of other cards. So I really don't understand why you people are complaining. Also he has an option for "make an offer" AND he has taken the time to post lots of pictures. (more than whats needed, but w/e)

luckybob wrote:

So I really don't understand why you people are complaining. Also he has an option for "make an offer" AND he has taken the time to post lots of pictures. (more than whats needed, but w/e)

Even if he has the cheapest card, doesn't make it OK to gouge on shipping. The link given by feipoa is from the Canadian Ebay site, and here the shipping is 27.25, but if you enter from .com or .co.uk or .de it is 39 dollars. Strange, but that makes it even more unattractive for everyone outside the US.

For Europeans, check this auction out: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Matrox-G200-G2-MSDP-8B … #ht_1432wt_1397

Agreed, this listing is normally only for Americans. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/370620365835
The issue of high shipping stems from his unwillingness to ship USPS First-Class Mail internationally. I have bought from him in the past, but only when I combined 10 PCI cards into one package. He combined the shipping and that was the only way it was worth it.

One final note on this topic - I have had issues with the G200 cards which have "ASSEMBLED IN CHINA" on the back. It could have been a stroke of double bad luck too.

Quick Update

I have 1 CPU left to test for this comparison - waiting for a donated Athlon 500 MHz to arrive. 170 CPUs have been tested to date.

Unfortunately, it does not seem like actual test results for a P60/66 or a NexGen will be available. I have had to simulate the data for the P60/66, which is what it would be like on a 430TX board. I suppose it would be 5-15% slower on an actual socket 4 board, depending on the application. CPU-only based tests might be the same though. If anyone has a P60/66 system setup and just wants to run some DOS benchmarks, I'd like to compare them to the values I have acquired.

Hopefully some Xeon results will trickle in this month.

feipoa wrote:

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Quick Update

I have 1 CPU left to test for this comparison - waiting for a donated Athlon 500 MHz to arrive. 170 CPUs have been tested to date.

Unfortunately, it does not seem like actual test results for a P60/66 or a NexGen will be available. I have had to simulate the data for the P60/66, which is what it would be like on a 430TX board. I suppose it would be 5-15% slower on an actual socket 4 board, depending on the application. CPU-only based tests might be the same though. If anyone has a P60/66 system setup and just wants to run some DOS benchmarks, I'd like to compare them to the values I have acquired.

Hopefully some Xeon results will trickle in this month.

speaking of, it should have been there by now. any update?

On the xeon front, m1919 was kind enough to send me his p2-450/2m ES and a p2-400/512k. However it would appear I have hit a snag when it comes to the motherboard and the only way to describe it is that my motherboard's mother and father, were also brother and sister.

I had my own p2 chip, a 450/512 before all this started bringing my total to three. However in my XG-DLS I cannot run any of the chips in single cpu config. The bios decides that if I'm only going to use one cpu, its going to turn off the L2 cache. No matter which p2 chip I use. the pentium 3's I have, do not suffer this fate. I can swap the cpu and the terminator card in the motherboard and nothing changes.

I decide to leave it for the night and do something else.

next day I start to fiddle with it again, and on a whim I decide to mis-match cpu's and put the 2mb and 512kb cache chips in at once to see if I can generate some sort of error in the bios I can lookup. Well, my little XG-dls was prepared for this. It decides to work perfectly fine. In the splash screen at the end of post before it gets to dos, there is a section for l2 cache. Until now it had been blank. Now It reads; "512kb , 2048kb" I have to admit, I'm rather speechless. I run cachechk and it completes PERFECTLY with 512kb. I swap the cpus, (remember windows 98 and dos are 1 cpu only) and the cache changes to "2048kb , 512kb" and it again, works perfectly in cachechk as 2mb.

by now, i'm convinced the end times are here. Nazi will be riding dinosaurs, the whole lot. In a flash of inspiration (actually I mistook it for the p2-450) I take my p3-550/512kb and slap it in with the p2-450/2m. it boots just fine. Claims both cpu's are pentium 3's but everything still works. I don't know what to do anymore. All my pre-conceived notions about dual cpu's have been shattered. I'm looking out the window for the rapture to begin at any moment...

but seriously, I'm thinking about running the tests anyway in this wonky config and going with it. combined with my p3 chips we should have most results from 400 to 550. enough to make some educated guesses at the missing parts at the very least. 😜 I am however open to suggestions. I cant find anyone with this problem online. and for the record, I've tried 3 different cpu terminator cards and even empty slot (no post).

Sounds like a complicated mess, but hopefully your numbers will not be skewed.

Yes, Athlon 500 arrived today. It is the last full CPU needed for me to test.

Now that I have figured out how to get OpenGL results for the 486's and non-MMX 6x86 chips, I still have a bit more work to do on this.

When I tried to boot with the single 450/512kb and then the 450/2MB ES, the board wouldn't even post. I had only one terminator board, so I'm not really sure if my XG-DLS just didn't like it or if there was some issue with the terminator itself, but my A-Trend Slot-1/2 board booted with them fine.