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Reply 40 of 53, by sliderider

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I'm wondering about the card in the picture with the AU8810A1 chip on it posted by AurealDieHard. Is it really a Montego II? Every Montego II I've ever seen has a AU8830 chip on it. The AU8810, AFAIK, was a budget chip that Aureal put out so they could sell cheaply to OEMs right before they got swallowed up by Creative.

Reply 42 of 53, by sliderider

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swaaye wrote:

8810 is called Vortex Advantage. Vortex 1 and 2 were pin compatible so 8810 may be too, allowing them to all be used on the same board designs.

Are there any differences in the feature set or sound quality? If AU8810 was a budget chip for OEM cards like I have been led to believe, then I would expect it not to be as good.

Reply 43 of 53, by swaaye

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Vortex 1 is more powerful than Vortex Advantage but it still has some hardware acceleration and A3D 1.0 support.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/35k1kh89e2y80k5 … 0_datasheet.PDF
http://www.mediafire.com/view/8e3b4k1wzcgqm36 … 0_datasheet.PDF

Reply 44 of 53, by Kirben

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sliderider wrote:

I'm wondering about the card in the picture with the AU8810A1 chip on it posted by AurealDieHard. Is it really a Montego II? Every Montego II I've ever seen has a AU8830 chip on it. The AU8810, AFAIK, was a budget chip that Aureal put out so they could sell cheaply to OEMs right before they got swallowed up by Creative.

Turtle Beach only released sound cards based off the Vortex 1 chipset (Turtle Beach Montego A3DXstream) and Vortex 2 chipset (Turtle Beach Montego II models).

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Are there any differences in the feature set or sound quality? If AU8810 was a budget chip for OEM cards like I have been led to believe, then I would expect it not to be as good.

The Vortex Advantage chipset is better than Vortex 1 chipset, the Vortex Advantage chipset is basically a Vortex 1 plus equalizer.

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Kirben wrote:

Turtle Beach only released sound cards based off the Vortex 1 chipset (Turtle Beach Montego A3DXstream) and Vortex 2 chipset (Turtle Beach Montego II models).

Well that's obviously not true because here is the pic

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And the caption that went with it

"Turtle Beach Montego II w/ DSP Daughter board adapter at bottom"

And since it's boxed, I assume the original poster knows what he has. I am pretty sure that is a Montego II Plus by the daughterboard. My Quadzilla has a completely different daughterboard from that one.

Reply 46 of 53, by Kirben

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sliderider wrote:
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Turtle Beach only released sound cards based off the Vortex 1 chipset (Turtle Beach Montego A3DXstream) and Vortex 2 chipset (Turtle Beach Montego II models).

Well that's obviously not true because here is the pic

125ip.jpg.

No, the caption for that image is clearly incorrect, it looks more like an Aureal Vortex Advantage sound card. Note the Aureal references listed on the card, which would not be on a model from another company.

Images of Turtles Beach's sound cards:
http://www.turtlebeach.com/support/entry/575112306/
http://www.turtlebeach.com/support/entry/576112310/

Reply 47 of 53, by sliderider

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I questioned it originally because of the AU8810 chip but didn't notice that it said Aureal on it. Maybe the card and the daughterboard are mismatched?

Oh, and I don't know if this list has been posted anywhere on Vogons before, but I thought it might be of interest to those viewing this topic

http://web.archive.org/web/20030212190019/htt … amelist-a3d.htm

A fairly comprehensive list of games with A3D sound support. It's a very old list, though, so I'm not sure if any other games with A3D support were released after it was compiled. I'm sure there's probably a few people here who can fill in any blanks.

For those who don't blindly click links, here's the list

Aeon Flux GT Interactive A3D 2.0
Amen: The Awakening Cavedog Entertainment A3D 2.0
Anachronox Eidos Interactive A3D 2.0

B17 Flying Fortress II: The Mighty Eighth Hasbro Interactive A3D 2.0
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn Interplay A3D 2.0
Battlecruiser 3020AD 3000AD A3D 2.0
Battlecruiser: Strike Pack 3000AD A3D 1.x
Battlezone Activison A3D 1.x
Battlezone Mission Pack: The Red Odyssey evolve A3D 1.x
Battlezone 2 Activison A3D 2.0
Big Air Accolade A3D 1.x
Black & White Lionhead Studios A3D 1.x
Blade Rebel Acts Studio A3D 1.x
Blood II: The Chosen Monolith A3D 1.x
Blood II Mission Pack: Nightmare Levels Monolith A3D 1.x
Blood II Mission Pack: Revelations Tequila Software A3D 1.x
Boss Rally Boss Games IAS (A3D 1.x)
Bug Riders GT Interactive A3D 1.x

Carmageddon: Death Race 2000 SCi A3D 2.0
Carnivores: IceAge Action Forms A3D 2.0
Carnivores 2 Action Forms A3D 2.0
Civilization: Call to Power Activison IAS (A3D 1.x)
Clusterball daydream A3D 2.0
Crime Cities Techland Software A3D 2.0
Crusaders of Might and Magic 3DO A3D 1.x
Crusher Techland Software A3D 1.x
Crystal Space Crystal Space A3D 2.0

Daikatana ION Storm A3D 2.0
DarkStar TE Software A3D 1.x
Dark Reign 2 Activision A3D 2.0
Deep Fighter UbiSoft A3D 2.0
Deer Hunter 3 Interplay A3D 1.x
Descent 3 Interplay A3D 2.0
Descent 3: Mercenary Interplay A3D 2.0
Descent 3: Sol Ascent Interplay A3D 2.0
Descent 4 Volition A3D 2.0
Descent Freespace: Silent Threat Interplay A3D 1.x
Descent Freespace: The Great War Interplay A3D 1.x
Descent: FreeSpace 2 Volition A3D 1.x
Deus Ex ION Storm A3D 2.0
Diablo 2 Blizzard A3D 2.0
Die Hard 2 Trilogy: Viva Las Vegas Fox Interactive A3D 2.0
Dirt Track Racing Ratbag Games A3D 1.x
Drakan: Order of the Flame Psygnosis A3D 1.x
The Dreamland Project Bethesda Softworks A3D 2.0
Driver GT Interactive A3D 1.x
Duke Nukem Forever 3D Realms A3D 2.0
Dungeon Keeper II Bullfrog A3D 2.0

Everquest Verant Interactive A3D 1.x
Everquest: Ruins of Kunark Verant Interactive A3D 1.x
Expendable Rage Software A3D 1.x
Experience The Whole Experience A3D 3.0
Expert Pool Psygnosis A3D 1.x
Extreme Wing Chun VR Zen Tao Interactive A3D 2.0

Fire Zone Techland Software A3D 2.0
FMOD Firelight Multimedia A3D 3.0
Football Manager 2000 Bullfrog A3D 2.0
Formula 1 98 Psygnosis A3D 1.x
Future Beat 3D Techland Software A3D 1.x
Future Beat 3D Pro Techland Software A3D 2.0

G-Police 1 Psygnosis A3D 1.x
Giants: Citizen Kabuto Planet Moon Studios A3D 1.x
Golgotha Crack Dot Com A3D 1.x
Gothic Piranha Bytes A3D 2.0
GP500 Infogrames A3D 2.0
Gulf War: Operation Desert Hammer 3DO A3D 1.x
Gunship! Microprose A3D 1.x

Half-Life Sierra A3D 2.0
Half-Life: Opposing Force Gearbox A3D 2.0
Halo Bungie Software A3D 3.0
Heavy Gear Activision A3D 1.x
Heavy Gear II Activision A3D 1.x
Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K. 2 Ritual Entertainment A3D 2.0
Heretic II Raven Software A3D 1.x, A3D 2.0
Hired Guns Psygnosis A3D 2.0
Hostile Waters Rage A3D 1.x
Hype:The Time Quest Ubisoft A3D 1.x
Hyperblade Activision IAS (A3D 1.x)

Incoming Rage Software A3D 1.x
Incoming Expansion Pack: Subversion Instant Access A3D 1.x
Incoming Forces Rage Software A3D 2.0
Interstate 76: Arsenal Activision A3D 1.x
Interstate 82 Activision A3D 1.x

Jagged Alliance 2 Talonsoft A3D 1.x
Jagged Alliance 2: Unfinished Business Talonsoft A3D 1.x
Jedi Knight: Ambush at Altyr 5 LucasArts A3D 1.x
Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II LucasArts A3D 1.x
Jedi Knight: Mysteries of the Sith LucasArts A3D 1.x
Jedi Knight: Pathways to the Force LucasArts A3D 1.x
JHexen Raven Games A3D 3.0

KISS Psycho Circus: The Nightmare Child Third Law A3D 2.0
Klingon Academy Interplay A3D 1.x

Lander Psygnosis A3D 1.x
Legend Of The Blademasters Ronin Entertainment A3D 1.x

Machines Acclaim Entertainment A3D 1.x
Martian Gothic: Unification Take 2 Interactive A3D 1.x
Max Payne Gathering of Developers A3D 2.0
MDK Interplay A3D 1.x
MDK 2 Interplay A3D 3.0
Mechwarrior 2: Mercenaries Activision IAS (A3D 1.x)
Messiah Shiny Entertainment A3D 3.0
Midnight GT Rage Software A3D 2.0
Might and Magic VII: For Blood and Honor The 3DO Company A3D 1.x
Might and Magic VIII: For Blood and Honor The 3DO Company A3D 1.x
Miles Sound System 5.0 RAD Game Tools A3D 1.x
Miles Sound System 6.0 RAD Game Tools A3D 2.0
Mixman Studio Mixman A3D 1.x
Mobil 1 Rally Championship Europress A3D 2.0
Mortyr Interactive Magic A3D 1.x
Motorhead Gremlin Interactive A3D 1.x, A3D 2.0
Myth II: Soulblighter Bungie Software A3D 1.x

NASCAR Legends Papyrus A3D 2.0
NASCAR Racing 3 Papyrus A3D 2.0
Navy Seals Yosemite Entertainment A3D 2.0
NeMo NeMo Sa A3D 2.0
Nerf Arena Blast Hasbro A3D 2.0
NetImmerse 2.3 NDL A3D 2.0
Neverwinter Nights BioWare A3D 2.0
No One Lives Forever Monolith A3D 2.0

Offroad Rage Software A3D 1.x
Oni Eidos Interactive A3D 1.x
Outlaws LucasArts A3D 1.x
Overboard! Psygnosis A3D 1.x

Panzer Elite Psygnosis A3D 2.0
Picassio Promethean Designs A3D 1.x
Plane Crazy - Uncivil Aviation Europress A3D 1.x
Planet of the Apes Fox Interactive A3D 1.x
Power DVD Cyberlink A3D 1.x
Powerslide GT Interactive A3D 1.x
Premier League Stars III Bullfrog A3D 2.0
Prince of Persia 3D Broderbund A3D 2.0
Private Wars TS Group A3D 1.x
Private Wars: Countdown TS Group A3D 1.x
Project V1 Digital Platoon A3D 1.x

Quake 2 Activison IAS (A3D 1.x)
Quake 2 Mission Pack: Ground Zero Activison IAS (A3D 1.x)
Quake 2 Mission Pack: The Reckoning Activison IAS (A3D 1.x)
Quake III Arena id software A3D 2.0

Rally 2000 EuroPress A3D 1.x, A3D 2.0
Rally Masters Gremlin Interactive A3D 2.0
Rayman 2 UbiSoft A3D 1.x
Re-Volt Acclaim A3D 1.x
Realism 3D iDREAM Software A3D 1.x
Recoil Electronic Arts A3D 1.x
Redline Racer Ubisoft A3D 1.x
Requiem: Avening Angel The 3DO Company A3D 1.x
Return to Castle Wolfenstein Activision A3D 2.0
Revenant Eidos Interactive A3D 1.x
Rocket Jockey SegaSoft A3D 1.x
RoboRumble TopWare Interactive A3D 1.x
Rock Singletrac A3D 2.0
Rover Flatland A3D 2.0
Rune Human Head Studios A3D 2.0
Russian Front, The Borderline A3D 2.0

Sanity Monolith A3D 1.x
Second Genesis Alternate State Entertainment A3D 1.x
Shipwreckers! Psygnosis A3D 1.x
Shogo: Mobile Armor Division Monolith A3D 1.x
SimCopter Maxis A3D 1.x
Simon the Sorcerer 3D HeadFirst Productions A3D 1.x
SiN Activison A3D 1.x, A3D 2.0
SiN Mission Pack: Wages of SiN 2015 A3D 2.0
Sinistar Unleashed THQ A3D 1.x
Skout Soft Enterprises A3D 1.x
Slave Zero Accolade A3D 2.0
Soldier of Fortune Raven Software A3D 3.0
Sound Operating System Human Machine Interfaces A3D 1.x
Spec Ops: M.O.U.T. zombie vr studios A3D 2.0
Spec Ops: Rangers Lead The Way zombie vr studios A3D 1.x
Spec Ops: Ranger Team Bravo zombie vr studios A3D 1.x
Spec Ops 2: Green Berets zombie vr studios A3D 1.x
Spec Ops 3 zombie vr studios A3D 2.0
Speed Thrill Techland Software A3D 1.x
Speedway GP Techland Software A3D 2.0
Speedway Manager 3D Techland Software A3D 1.x
Starfleet Academy Interplay A3D 1.x
Starfleet Academy: Chekov's Lost Missions Interplay A3D 1.x
Starsiege Sierra A3D 1.x
Starsiege Tribes Sierra A3D 1.x
Starsiege Tribes 2 Sierra A3D 2.0
Star Lancer Digital Anvil A3D 2.0
Star Trek Deep Space 9: The Fallen GT Interactive A3D 2.0
Star Trek The Next Generation: Klingon Honor Guard Microprose A3D 1.x
Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force Raven Software A3D 3.0
Star Wars Episode I - Obi Wan LucasArts A3D 1.x
Star Wars Episode I - Phantom Menace LucasArts A3D 1.x
Star Wars Epsiode I - Racer LucasArts A3D 2.0
Star Wars: Force Commander LucasArts A3D 1.x
Star Wars: X-Wing Alliance LucasArts A3D 1.x
Summoner Volition A3D 2.0
Swedish Touring Car Championship Digital Illusions A3D 2.0
System Shock 2 Looking Glass A3D 1.x

Team Fortress 2: Brotherhood in Arms Sierra A3D 2.0
Team Fortress Classic Sierra A3D 2.0
Terminus Vicarious Visions A3D 1.x
Test Drive Le Mans Infogrames A3D 2.0
Thief: The Dark Project Looking Glass Technologies A3D 1.x
Thief II: The Metal Age Looking Glass Technologies A3D 1.x
Thief Gold Eidos Interactive A3D 1.x
Thrust, Twist'n Turn Carts Entertainment A3D 1.x
TigerShark GT Interactive A3D 1.x
TNN Outdoors Pro Hunter ASC Games A3D 1.x
Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation Eidos Interactive A3D 1.x
Tonic Trouble Ubisoft A3D 1.x
Tread Marks Longbow Digital Arts A3D 2.0
Trespasser: Jurassic Park DreamWorks A3D 1.x

Unreal Epic Games A3D 1.x, A3D 2.0
Unreal Level Pack: The Return To Na Pali Epic Games A3D 1.x, A3D 2.0
Unreal 2 Legend Entertainment A3D 2.0
Unreal Tournament Epic Games A3D 3.0
Uprising 2: Lead and Destroy The 3DO Company A3D 1.x
Urban Chaos Eidos Interactive A3D 1.x

Vampire: The Masquerade Nihilistic Software A3D 2.0
Venom GSC Game World A3D 2.0
Virtua Commando Techland Software A3D 2.0
Virtua Rally Techland Software A3D 2.0
Vital Engine ZL The Nephilims A3D 1.x

wHeretic Robin McLeod A3D 2.0
Wargasm Digital Image Design A3D 1.x
Way Point Zeta Elpin Systems A3D 1.x
Werewolf: The Apocalypse - Heart of Gaia ASC Games A3D 2.0
The Wheel Of Time GT Interactive A3D 2.0
Wild Metal Country Gremlin Interactive A3D 2.0
Wizardry 8 Sir-Tech A3D 2.0
Worldview Intervista Software A3D 1.x

>X< EgoSoft A3D 1.x
X-Com: Alliance Microprose A3D 2.0

Yager Yager A3D 1.x

Reply 48 of 53, by gerwin

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sliderider wrote:

I questioned it originally because of the AU8810 chip but didn't notice that it said Aureal on it. Maybe the card and the daughterboard are mismatched?

Obviously, as the 8-pin ribbon cable connector is not visible on the AU8810A1 PCI card. It should be near the oscillator. No way to connect the I/O bracket to that PCI card. I do see 8 solder points though.
Interestingly the AU8810A1 PCI is equipped with a coax connector already, S/PDIF-out I suppose.

I wish I knew how to enable the Montego II Home Studio S/PDIF bracket from the DOS prompt. I do have an unofficial Vortex-2 mixer program for DOS, but it has just basic functionality.

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Reply 49 of 53, by sliderider

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gerwin wrote:
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I questioned it originally because of the AU8810 chip but didn't notice that it said Aureal on it. Maybe the card and the daughterboard are mismatched?

Obviously, as the 8-pin ribbon cable connector is not visible on the AU8810A1 PCI card. It should be near the oscillator. No way to connect the I/O bracket to that PCI card. I do see 8 solder points though.
Interestingly the AU8810A1 PCI is equipped with a coax connector already, S/PDIF-out I suppose.

I wish I knew how to enable the Montego II Home Studio S/PDIF bracket from the DOS prompt. I do have an unofficial Vortex-2 mixer program for DOS, but it has just basic functionality.

After doing some digging, I found an Aureal Vortex SQ1500 for sale on ebay and it looks just like the card in the picture, even down to the AU8810A1 chip, so I think that solves the mystery.

Oh, and you need a special driver for quad stereo and S/PDIF support. The Aureal reference driver only supports 2 speaker stereo and no S/PDIF. You'll probably have to find the driver CD for a Quadzilla, Plus, or Home Studio version to get the driver you need.

And if you're trying to use it with any version of Windows past Windows ME or with Linux, then I don't think you're going to find any driver that supports the daughterboard at all. The Microsoft driver only supports basic stereo functionality and none of the special features of the card and Aureal never released a whole lot of information about the inner workings of the Vortex chips to make it easy for a third party to write a driver.

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See attached screenshot. There are still alot of options with the appropriate driver and fixes in windows 2000. Although I haven't tested it extensively. (I don't care that much for 3D sound enhancement currently.) The daughterboard header works! In fact, all midi options that are visible on the screenshot work.

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Reply 51 of 53, by sliderider

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gerwin wrote:

See attached screenshot. There are still alot of options with the appropriate driver and fixes in windows 2000. Although I haven't tested it extensively. (I don't care that much for 3D sound enhancement currently.) The daughterboard header works! In fact, all midi options that are visible on the screenshot work.

But does it work in true quad stereo or do the rear channels merely duplicate the front channels?

Reply 52 of 53, by gerwin

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Don't think I will test that anytime soon. This Windows 2000 system has just the basic card without 4 speaker I/O bracket. That bracket is tied up in another system.

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Reply 53 of 53, by RaVeN-05

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Well, i am use A3D wrapper, i have found it on russian site, an its work well
http://www.worknd.ru/
http://www.worknd.ru/A3D-Live.exe

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