The Serpant Rider wrote:

Then, do you have any idea for boards that supports p3-S tualatin with ISA slots?

Because of stupid imorted charges and shipping fees, that makes me mad though 😠

Well ... first, you gotta tell us why you want that Tualatin that badly? For example, I want to put one in my P3B-F too. But that's another story. I just want to make it work.

If you want the older games, a slot 1 board with Pentium 3 Coppermine @ 800-1000Mhz will be OK. You can swap P2's and P3's every now and then (the slot 1 is easy for that reason).

If you want the Tualatin for it's speed factor (what I suppose) - then go for the Epox 8KTA3(+), ot Abit KT7-A (Raid) (personally, I always go for the RAID versions - I hate to see unsolded chips and sockets on my boards). The Athlon will outrun the Pentium 3, and you still have the one ISA slot for that AWE64 Gold.

For me - any person, who wants the AWE64 GOLD and is ready to pay 80$ for it, should try to build the platform around the AWE and the games he wants to play. You can start from Pentium MMX 233 and end up with a s 478 board and Pentium 4. The Socket A, that I offered you, will allow you to play some more demanding games, along with the old time classics.

Keep in mind, any board you get from internet, could be dead on arrival. (the more you purchase, the more you get DOA). So ... don't waste more than 20-25$'s on it 😀

Send a message to the seller, make him an offer 😀

How about AMD boards and PSUs(RAID and functional) that supports AMD's with ISA slots (I want to use AWE 64 Gold, MT32 Roland, GUS so bad with games from 90's to middle of 2000's), SpaceCowboy?

For reason for wanting Tualatin is speed factor. Since you are saying AMD has some models that are faster than Pentium 3 Tualatin, What's the best and fastest Athlon for me?

P.S. Please introduce a plan includes a board that has ISA (For GUS, AWE64 Gold, MT32 Roland), GPUs that support Direct-X and Glide (since I am going to play games from 90's to 2005), 512MB to 1GB SDRAMs, case(No matter for modern ones if they are compatible with these old ones), CRT monitors, keyboard and mouse, speakers, in Pentium 3-S Tualatin 1.4GHz and AMD Athlon builds

The Serpant Rider wrote:

How about AMD boards and PSUs(RAID and functional) that supports AMD's with ISA slots (I want to use AWE 64 Gold, MT32 Roland, GUS so bad with games from 90's to middle of 2000's), SpaceCowboy?

For reason for wanting Tualatin is speed factor. Since you are saying AMD has some models that are faster than Pentium 3 Tualatin, What's the best and fastest Athlon for me?

P.S. Please introduce a plan includes a board that has ISA (For GUS, AWE64 Gold, MT32 Roland), GPUs and Direct-X and Glide (since I am going to play games from 90's to 2005) in Pentium 3-S Tualatin 1.4GHz and AMD Athlon builds

Hm, I'm not the person that could give you most competent answer. I have my own searches in retro-hardware. Probably Mau1wurf could tell you a lot about these soundcards. Or ... I've seen people here, who are far ahead into MIDI, and probably know a lot. If you want to have the 3 of them in the same case (I can't imagine why, but ... it's a matter of budget), then I would suggest you get the Asus P2B-F - there is a revision with 3 ISA slots.

But ... you can't cover that range - 1990 - 2005 with one platform - yes you can, but by emulating.

Don't rush to purchase everything in one week. Start with the soundcards. Read some info in the forum. By the time you have the soundcards in your hands, you will know what board and CPU you need for them.

You could search for two Voodoo2 Cards (12MB). They should be cheap enough, and you will use them further on.

If you want the games that badly - use emulator until you build your retro PC.

I know it's not the answer you want (you want to know what to buy), but ... my conscious tell me that this is the right answer for you at the moment.

Get that AWE64 Gold as a start. It's expensive, but I think it won't get any cheaper with the years. Start looking for the other 2 sound cards. Start reading old articles. Get to know the history of the hardware you want to buy. With the time, you'll see, that usually it's much easier to get the MB, CPU, RAM, etc, then to find a good sound or videocard (Vioodoo 4 and 5 are a good example, so are the soundcards you want).

I see. I might be build another Pure DOS rig since you said it is difficult to play different era games in a single PC. Purchasing might be began on May to June onwards not in a single week. This PC might be for 1996 to 2001 games. Is the Voodoo GPU might be work on Half Life 1?

Notes: After the construction, I will ask Mau1wurf about Pure DOS 7.1 rig and soundcards.

The Serpant Rider wrote:

Tetrium wrote:

The Serpant Rider wrote:

Then, do you have any idea for boards that supports p3-S tualatin with ISA slots?

Because of stupid imorted charges and shipping fees, that makes me mad though 😠

But still, it's cheaper than my modern rig plan (since it is made for computing practice and high-end gaming, the cost might be $1200 to $2000 above 😢 ).

Then you have to find a board with the VIA 694T chipset
Here is a list with s370 motherboards. My suggestion would be to search for the boards that have the VIA 694T chipset and see which ones have an ISA slot

There are the links with ISA slots on boards from this site.

http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VBA133U.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VTX.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VTXE.htm

Very good. Now step number 2 is to see if these are being sold on ebay.
And remember, the boards you chose do not require the pinmodded chip you intend to buy (frankly, I'm not even sure if they work on Tualatin boards) so you're good with a standard Tualatin.
If none of the boards you selected are for sale (for a reasonable price), then your next best step is to find a s370 board with the VIA chip (preferably the 694X) and see which ones of those have ISA slots (though I'd suspect that most of them will in fact have ISA slots).

For 694X, I am not sure that Tualatin is compatible on these boarads.
Links: http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VX7-4X-AP.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VXC7-4X-P.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA2.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA-E.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA-E.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCM.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VX7-4X-AP.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VXC7-4X-P.htm,

P.S. I excluded crappy board manufacturers like Biostar, EC and incompatible things.

The boards that I posted before are seemed to be hard to find on the Ebay.

The Serpant Rider wrote:

For 694X, I am not sure that Tualatin is compatible on these boarads. Links: http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VX7-4X-AP […]
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For 694X, I am not sure that Tualatin is compatible on these boarads.
Links: http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VX7-4X-AP.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VXC7-4X-P.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA2.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA-E.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCA-E.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/soyo/SY-7VCM.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VX7-4X-AP.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/gigabyte/GA-6VXC7-4X-P.htm,

P.S. I excluded crappy board manufacturers like Biostar, EC and incompatible things.

The boards that I posted before are seemed to be hard to find on Ebays.

Now these boards you selected will probably work with the pinmodded Tualatin you intend to buy (to make sure of this, there was I think a compatibility list in that ad).

Now the next step is to see which ones of your selected boards are on that compatibility list and then see if any of the boards in your last post are up for sale on ebay 😀

My goodness, all of the links are dead in this site. Is there any link for it?

The Serpant Rider wrote:

My goodness, all of the links are dead in this site. Is there any link for it?

The ebay advertisement where you found the pinmodded Tualatin, this page on the bottom somewhere has a compatibility list. You should see which boards you selected are in that list. If a board is not in that list, then remove it from your list.

The motherboards you selected that are on that list, these are the boards you should start looking for on ebay 😀

Edit: The ebay ad is here. Scroll down to about half way, there is a long list with compatible motherboards. See which boards you selected are on that list.

Here's the board that it is compatible with Tualatin CPU.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-OEM-Gigabyte- … =item3cdc046f5e
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-GA-6VXC7-4X- … =item1e868b810a (Warning: This is GBP!)

RAM: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331130425563, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-Promos-512MB … =item3f28b65946, www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-Hynix-512MB-K ... 5(2x256MB) (If you think they are expensive, can you find Kingstone's SDRAM 2 256MB RAMs?)

The Serpant Rider wrote:

Here's the board that it is compatible with Tualatin CPU. http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-OEM-Gigabyte- … =item3cdc046f5e http:/ […]
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Here's the board that it is compatible with Tualatin CPU.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-OEM-Gigabyte- … =item3cdc046f5e
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-GA-6VXC7-4X- … =item1e868b810a (Warning: This is GBP!)

RAM: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331130425563, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-Promos-512MB … =item3f28b65946, www.ebay.com/itm/Kingston-Hynix-512MB-K ... 5(2x256MB) (If you think they are expensive, can you find Kingstone's SDRAM 2 256MB RAMs?)

The GA-6VX7-4X doesn't have any ISA slots, so that's a no-go.
The second board seems to be the one you're looking for 😀

The first memory you linked to is DDR, not PC-133 SDRAM. It's incompatible with your motherboard.
The other 2 seem fine, at least at first glance.

Well, you already got a cooler and a CPU selected. Anything else missing?

The missed things are CRT, Case, mouse and keyboard, Intel Pro-100 PCI, PSU, HDD, GA-6VXC7-4X-P, speakers. Is possible to use 5.1/7.1 speakrers and 1GB (SDRAM) for Win 98 SE?

The pin modded Tualatin should still work in Tualatin ready boards as long as the boards also support Coppermine CPUs.
But "should" is as always no guarantee.

Err... Why Via Apollo Pro 133A? Try to find Via Apollo Pro 133T motherboard. The full Coppermines and not-modded Tualatins support + ATA100.

http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/epox/EP-3VSA.htm, http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/epox/EP-3VSM.htm (for VIA Apollo Pro 133T)

1 gig of RAM for 98SE is kinda problematic. And at any rate, 512MB is more then you'll probably need anyway (even 256MB should be enough, you can always go for 512MB later).

Gamecollector wrote:

Err... Why Via Apollo Pro 133A? Try to find Via Apollo Pro 133T motherboard. The full Coppermines and not-modded Tualatins support + ATA100.

The problem is that he didn't find any available on ebay that had an ISA slot.

Getting the board with ISA and case and CRT seems to be tough... Do you have any suggestion for them? I am going to use 2 256MB SDRAM rather than 1GB(http://www.ebay.com/itm/271211377925).

The Serpant Rider wrote:

Getting the board with ISA and case and CRT seems to be tough... Do you have any suggestion for them? I am going to use 2 256MB SDRAM rather than 1GB(http://www.ebay.com/itm/271211377925).

CRT I cannot help you with. Best is to find one locally.

If you can't find a board with ISA, then you have at least 2 more options: Either you forget about ISA and get a s370 board without ISA (and thus a different sound card) or you wait till one does end up on ebay.

A third option could be to find a BX s370 board.
If you still want an ISA slot and a Tualatin, then I'd say do a search on that same page again and look for s370 boards which feature the Intel 440BX chipset (or simply Intel BX). See which ones you like (don't forget about AGP!) and then see if any of those are available on ebay.

Also you will need a different Tualatin, the pin modded 1400MHz 100MHz FSB 256KB cache one from the same seller that also sells the 1400MHz 133MHz FSB 512KB cache Tualatin (unless you want to overclock, but I would commend against this for your first build). Good thing is, that chip is a bit cheaper.

Edit: I almost forgot. If you go the Intel BX route, you'll need to find memory modules that are not bigger then 256MB and have 8 or 9 memory chips on both sides of the module. 512MB modules will probably malfunction on BX

Btw,, are the games that contain CD audio and Direct-X are affected by soundcards like Blood, Diablo? I wanna mainboard (ASUS, GIGABYTE) with Intel chipsets with ISA, P3 Tualatin, 512MB support so bad..

Another option is to find a ASUS P3B-F (Intel 440BX chipset), buy the pinmodded Tualatin and a coppermine slotklet. None are hard to find and particular expensive. The ASUS board runs 133mhz with no problem and it came with up to 2 ISA slots.

I use this setup with Pentium III-S 1.4GHz and 1024MB CL2 RAM and it's very quick and stable.