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Anyone own a copy of Lemmings (First revision)?

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First post, by comradesean

Posted on 2015-04-23, 17:28

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I've purchased nearly a dozen differently labeled copies with different box art and from different regions and I've yet to locate the copy of Lemmings with the following file list.

Lemmings (05/24/91)

104/30/1991  10:21 AM            12,988 ADLIB.DAT
203/31/1991  06:19 PM            20,901 CGAGR0.DAT
303/31/1991  06:19 PM            25,696 CGAGR1.DAT
403/31/1991  06:19 PM            15,113 CGAGR2.DAT
503/31/1991  06:19 PM            15,427 CGAGR3.DAT
603/31/1991  06:19 PM            20,851 CGAGR4.DAT
704/23/1991  06:18 PM               114 HELP.BAT
804/22/1991  03:28 PM            22,111 CGAMAIN.DAT
903/31/1991  06:19 PM            17,992 CGASPEC0.DAT
1003/31/1991  06:19 PM            11,442 CGASPEC1.DAT
1103/31/1991  06:19 PM            13,129 CGASPEC2.DAT
1203/31/1991  06:19 PM            23,838 CGASPEC3.DAT
1304/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND0O.DAT
1404/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND1O.DAT
1504/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND2O.DAT
1604/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND3O.DAT
1704/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND4O.DAT
1805/10/1991  04:47 PM             2,188 AUTODET.EXE
1905/11/1991  05:04 PM             9,145 INSTALL.EXE
2004/30/1991  11:13 AM             3,722 LEVEL000.DAT
2104/30/1991  11:14 AM             4,519 LEVEL001.DAT
2204/30/1991  11:14 AM             4,819 LEVEL002.DAT
2304/30/1991  11:15 AM             6,827 LEVEL003.DAT
2404/30/1991  11:15 AM             3,889 LEVEL004.DAT
2504/30/1991  11:16 AM             7,255 LEVEL005.DAT
2604/30/1991  11:16 AM             7,149 LEVEL006.DAT
2704/30/1991  11:17 AM             5,253 LEVEL007.DAT
2804/30/1991  11:17 AM             7,037 LEVEL008.DAT
2904/30/1991  11:18 AM             4,932 LEVEL009.DAT
3004/22/1991  03:18 PM            56,472 MAIN.DAT
3103/31/1991  06:19 PM             4,480 ODDTABLE.DAT
3205/22/1991  06:15 PM            12,566 TANDYSND.DAT
3305/23/1991  04:14 PM               744 LEM4.DOC
3405/03/1991  12:49 PM               569 LEMMINGS.BAT
3504/22/1991  03:31 PM            14,733 TGAMAIN.DAT
3603/31/1991  06:19 PM            24,464 VGAGR0.DAT
3703/31/1991  06:19 PM            32,966 VGAGR1.DAT
3803/31/1991  06:19 PM            22,290 VGAGR2.DAT
3903/31/1991  06:19 PM            22,775 VGAGR3.DAT
4003/31/1991  06:19 PM            28,692 VGAGR4.DAT
4104/23/1991  06:16 PM               403 LEM1.DOC
4203/31/1991  06:19 PM            28,655 VGASPEC0.DAT
4303/31/1991  06:19 PM            18,567 VGASPEC1.DAT
4403/31/1991  06:19 PM            23,284 VGASPEC2.DAT
4503/31/1991  06:19 PM            34,827 VGASPEC3.DAT
4605/24/1991  10:13 AM            30,000 CGALEMMI.EXE
4705/24/1991  10:13 AM            32,782 VGALEMMI.EXE
4804/23/1991  06:20 PM               384 LEM2.DOC
4904/23/1991  06:20 PM               530 LEM3.DOC
5005/24/1991  10:13 AM            30,940 TGALEMMI.EXE
51              50 File(s)        692,740 bytes
52               0 Dir(s)           7,168 bytes free

Does anyone own this copy of lemmings and can provide pictures of the disks+boxart?

Reply 1 of 16, by Beegle

Posted on 2015-04-23, 18:09

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I have one original copy with a box. I'll check later tonight to see if the file list/dates match with what you need.

Is there anything special in the first revision that was changed later on?

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Reply 2 of 16, by Stiletto

Posted on 2015-04-23, 18:41

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Mine all match except for VGALEMMI.EXE, CGALEMMI.EXE, TGALEMMI.EXE which have a datestamp of 7/19/1991 11:19 AM and TANDYSND.DAT which has a datestamp of 7/30/1991 5:33 PM. Also, all my hours are one before yours, so you might understand this as 7/19/1991 12:19 PM and 7/30/1991 6:33 PM *shrug*

Anyhow, seems like a later revision than what you are looking for?

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Reply 3 of 16, by comradesean

Posted on 2015-04-23, 21:44

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Stiletto wrote:
Mine all match except for VGALEMMI.EXE, CGALEMMI.EXE, TGALEMMI.EXE which have a datestamp of 7/19/1991 11:19 AM and TANDYSND.DAT which has a datestamp of 7/30/1991 5:33 PM. Also, all my hours are one before yours, so you might understand this as 7/19/1991 12:19 PM and 7/30/1991 6:33 PM *shrug*

Anyhow, seems like a later revision than what you are looking for?

Yeah, that's the version I can't stop finding on eBay. And in regards to differences, I'm not sure what they are but it's necessary for this collection of original releases I'm working on. Lemmings and Worms (IBM-PC) are the giving me the biggest headache in the 1990+ releases category.

Reply 4 of 16, by NJRoadfan

Posted on 2015-04-26, 22:35

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I have the same revision as Stiletto. My copy likely came packed with a Soundblaster Pro sound card though.

Reply 5 of 16, by Beegle

Posted on 2015-04-27, 04:39

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Bad news, mine has files dated upwards to 1991-07-30.
Strangely, at the same time, some (but not all?) files in my version pre-date yours from one hour exactly.

1   Searching for :                                          My version (original with box):
2
304/30/1991  10:21 AM            12,988 ADLIB.DAT          SAME
403/31/1991  06:19 PM            20,901 CGAGR0.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
503/31/1991  06:19 PM            25,696 CGAGR1.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
603/31/1991  06:19 PM            15,113 CGAGR2.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
703/31/1991  06:19 PM            15,427 CGAGR3.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
803/31/1991  06:19 PM            20,851 CGAGR4.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
904/23/1991  06:18 PM               114 HELP.BAT           SAME
1004/22/1991  03:28 PM            22,111 CGAMAIN.DAT        SAME
1103/31/1991  06:19 PM            17,992 CGASPEC0.DAT       1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
1203/31/1991  06:19 PM            11,442 CGASPEC1.DAT       1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
1303/31/1991  06:19 PM            13,129 CGASPEC2.DAT       1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
1403/31/1991  06:19 PM            23,838 CGASPEC3.DAT       1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
1504/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND0O.DAT       SAME
1604/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND1O.DAT       SAME
1704/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND2O.DAT       SAME
1804/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND3O.DAT       SAME
1904/30/1991  11:03 AM             1,056 GROUND4O.DAT       SAME
2005/10/1991  04:47 PM             2,188 AUTODET.EXE         SAME
2105/11/1991  05:04 PM             9,145 INSTALL.EXE         SAME
2204/30/1991  11:13 AM             3,722 LEVEL000.DAT         SAME
2304/30/1991  11:14 AM             4,519 LEVEL001.DAT         SAME
2404/30/1991  11:14 AM             4,819 LEVEL002.DAT         SAME
2504/30/1991  11:15 AM             6,827 LEVEL003.DAT         SAME
2604/30/1991  11:15 AM             3,889 LEVEL004.DAT         SAME
2704/30/1991  11:16 AM             7,255 LEVEL005.DAT         SAME
2804/30/1991  11:16 AM             7,149 LEVEL006.DAT         SAME
2904/30/1991  11:17 AM             5,253 LEVEL007.DAT         SAME
3004/30/1991  11:17 AM             7,037 LEVEL008.DAT         SAME
3104/30/1991  11:18 AM             4,932 LEVEL009.DAT         SAME
3204/22/1991  03:18 PM            56,472 MAIN.DAT             SAME
3303/31/1991  06:19 PM             4,480 ODDTABLE.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
3405/22/1991  06:15 PM            12,566 TANDYSND.DAT         1991-07-30   5:33 PM      (2mo later)
3505/23/1991  04:14 PM               744 LEM4.DOC             SAME
3605/03/1991  12:49 PM               569 LEMMINGS.BAT        SAME
3704/22/1991  03:31 PM            14,733 TGAMAIN.DAT         SAME
3803/31/1991  06:19 PM            24,464 VGAGR0.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
3903/31/1991  06:19 PM            32,966 VGAGR1.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4003/31/1991  06:19 PM            22,290 VGAGR2.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4103/31/1991  06:19 PM            22,775 VGAGR3.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4203/31/1991  06:19 PM            28,692 VGAGR4.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4304/23/1991  06:16 PM               403 LEM1.DOC            SAME
4403/31/1991  06:19 PM            28,655 VGASPEC0.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4503/31/1991  06:19 PM            18,567 VGASPEC1.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4603/31/1991  06:19 PM            23,284 VGASPEC2.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4703/31/1991  06:19 PM            34,827 VGASPEC3.DAT         1991-03-31   5:19 PM      (1hr earlier)
4805/24/1991  10:13 AM            30,000 CGALEMMI.EXE         1991-07-19  11:19 AM      (2mo later)
4905/24/1991  10:13 AM            32,782 VGALEMMI.EXE         1991-07-19  11:19 AM      (2mo later)
5004/23/1991  06:20 PM               384 LEM2.DOC            SAME
5104/23/1991  06:20 PM               530 LEM3.DOC            SAME
5205/24/1991  10:13 AM            30,940 TGALEMMI.EXE         1991-07-19  11:19 AM      (2mo later)

I'd be curious to compile a "definitive" version of Lemmings, with a mix of all latest versions of every file.
The same exercise could be done for the earliest versions also.

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Reply 6 of 16, by leileilol

Posted on 2015-04-27, 04:56

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I would think the hour thing would be an OS assuming DST and correcting it?

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Reply 7 of 16, by Stiletto

Posted on 2015-04-27, 05:22

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leileilol wrote:
I would think the hour thing would be an OS assuming DST and correcting it?

Yeah, that was my assumption.

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Reply 8 of 16, by comradesean

Posted on 2015-04-27, 15:20

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Stiletto wrote:
leileilol wrote:
I would think the hour thing would be an OS assuming DST and correcting it?

Yeah, that was my assumption.

I can pretty much confirm this (99%) as I've requested timestamps from eBay sellers that were an hour behind and when the disk arrived the timestamps were back to normal.

I remember seeing disk images of three different "revisions" so I'll take a look into those images later and let you know if there's an even later release. I've got two more eBay copies coming in with unique labels and we'll see what's up with those, but so far I've only physically found the one version that's been mentioned. They showed up as unmodified when dumped with my KryoFlux and matched CRC with their disk images as well.

Reply 9 of 16, by comradesean

Posted on 2015-05-05, 02:54

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Seriously? All of these are the exact same version! I don't even know what else to buy as I haven't seen any other kinds.

Reply 10 of 16, by leileilol

Posted on 2015-05-05, 02:55

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I'll tell you ahead from compulsive collecting that the IMSI version (mouse bundle) is all 1993 dates.

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Reply 11 of 16, by Stiletto

Posted on 2015-05-05, 04:04

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There seem to be some responses on your VCF thread that imply that the copies of Lemmings (05-24-1991) online are cracked copies. Could the 5-24-1991 file dates have been altered?

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Reply 12 of 16, by leileilol

Posted on 2015-05-05, 04:19

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THG's Lemmings release dates to 5/20/1991 and was the earliest cracked AFAIK and it had a disk check left over FYI. The EXEs are 5/10/1991 and crack versions typically carry a RUSSELL.DAT file and/or loader COMs, and your files lists have neither.

Later cracks (i.e. Rawcopy, Neverlock) were still loaders.

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Reply 13 of 16, by comradesean

Posted on 2015-05-05, 05:07

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There's also historical posts in google groups where people owned the full version much earlier than the July timestamps on these copies I own.

The really sad thing is that while the THG release is cracked, I think you just pointed out the third revision to me. It's possible it was just a leaked copy, but it's also not uncommon for a quick update to the their distribution master disk (ex. Arena, SC2K, Ultima VI)

Edit:
Okay, so while this isn't rock solid it looks like the THG release lines up exactly with the estimate this guy says he got from Psygnosis so it's a very high chance the THG release is the real original release.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.games.mis … 38/jThzUi53oTUJ

Reply 14 of 16, by JayCeeBee64

Posted on 2015-05-05, 20:42

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Found my floppy last night hidden away in a storage case; it was part of a Sound Blaster Pro 2 bundle. Unfortunately some of the date stamps don't match:

1ADLIB    DAT        12,988 04-30-91  10:21a
2AUTODET  EXE         2,188 05-10-91   4:47p
3CGAGR0   DAT        20,901 03-31-91   6:19p
4CGAGR1   DAT        25,696 03-31-91   6:19p
5CGAGR2   DAT        15,113 03-31-91   6:19p
6CGAGR3   DAT        15,427 03-31-91   6:19p
7CGAGR4   DAT        20,851 03-31-91   6:19p
8CGALEMMI EXE        29,994 07-19-91  11:19a
9CGAMAIN  DAT        22,111 04-22-91   3:28p
10CGASPEC0 DAT        17,992 03-31-91   6:19p
11CGASPEC1 DAT        11,442 03-31-91   6:19p
12CGASPEC2 DAT        13,129 03-31-91   6:19p
13CGASPEC3 DAT        23,838 03-31-91   6:19p
14GROUND0O DAT         1,056 04-30-91  11:03a
15GROUND1O DAT         1,056 04-30-91  11:03a
16GROUND2O DAT         1,056 04-30-91  11:03a
17GROUND3O DAT         1,056 04-30-91  11:03a
18GROUND4O DAT         1,056 04-30-91  11:03a
19HELP     BAT           114 04-23-91   6:18p
20INSTALL  EXE         9,145 05-11-91   5:04p
21LEM1     DOC           403 04-23-91   6:16p
22LEM2     DOC           384 04-23-91   6:20p
23LEM3     DOC           530 04-23-91   6:20p
24LEM4     DOC           744 05-23-91   4:14p
25LEMMINGS BAT           569 05-03-91  12:49p
26LEVEL000 DAT         3,722 04-30-91  11:13a
27LEVEL001 DAT         4,519 04-30-91  11:14a
28LEVEL002 DAT         4,819 04-30-91  11:14a
29LEVEL003 DAT         6,827 04-30-91  11:15a
30LEVEL004 DAT         3,889 04-30-91  11:15a
31LEVEL005 DAT         7,255 04-30-91  11:16a
32LEVEL006 DAT         7,149 04-30-91  11:16a
33LEVEL007 DAT         5,253 04-30-91  11:17a
34LEVEL008 DAT         7,037 04-30-91  11:17a
35LEVEL009 DAT         4,932 04-30-91  11:18a
36MAIN     DAT        56,472 04-22-91   3:18p
37ODDTABLE DAT         4,480 03-31-91   6:19p
38TANDYSND DAT        12,569 07-30-91   5:33p
39TGALEMMI EXE        30,928 07-19-91  11:19a
40TGAMAIN  DAT        14,733 04-22-91   3:31p
41VGAGR0   DAT        24,464 03-31-91   6:19p
42VGAGR1   DAT        32,966 03-31-91   6:19p
43VGAGR2   DAT        22,290 03-31-91   6:19p
44VGAGR3   DAT        22,775 03-31-91   6:19p
45VGAGR4   DAT        28,692 03-31-91   6:19p
46VGALEMMI EXE        32,785 07-19-91  11:19a
47VGASPEC0 DAT        28,655 03-31-91   6:19p
48VGASPEC1 DAT        18,567 03-31-91   6:19p
49VGASPEC2 DAT        23,284 03-31-91   6:19p
50VGASPEC3 DAT        34,827 03-31-91   6:19p
51       50 file(s)        692,728 bytes
52                           7,168 bytes free

Apparently this is the same revision Stiletto and others have. Sorry.

Ooohh, the pain......

Reply 15 of 16, by comradesean

Posted on 2015-05-05, 22:49

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vicvan on betaarchive came through with a disk image of the 05/11/91 release which confirms it was a real release and maybe possibly provided an image of the disk.

My only concern is the box art on mobygames he linked to is a UK release, but here you can see a post written by a student from New York explain that it was out on 05/20/91. Also I believe THG generally specified where their releases were from if it wasn't US.

Reply 16 of 16, by leileilol

Posted on 2015-05-05, 23:05

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Scene pirates usually rush on the first day of release (for competitive/prestige reasons), THG definitely did because they didn't fully crack it and only plays up to level 15 😀 DMA 1, Pirates 0.

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