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3D Pool - Kixx XL

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First post, by sirlemonhead

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Has anyone got a copy of this? mdmA1Xzwsa2ro72GoNHAEFw.jpg

I do, but my floppy for it has got corrupted.. I'm thinking it might have been a virus from back in the day.

For anyone who knows about the file system used on floppy disks, the first FAT table is horrible broken, and the boot sector has the wrong parameters, but the second FAT is OK so I can get the files off it manually.. But things don't look quite right - It has a subfolder containing two copies of files from the root folder. Also, I must have had the write protect off as the pool.dat file contains player names from my family members 😀

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Mostly for fun, I'm writing a little program to try repair the disc - I'm going to get it to output a perfectly usable disk image, using the files recovered from my disk. As you can see in the screenshot from WinImage, the disk label is corrupted.

Was wondering if anyone had this disk, and if so could they provide me with the disk label, and the boot sector properties, if at all possible? I'm not looking for an image of the whole disk but if it was OK for someone to provide this to me providing I give proof I own the game, I'd be up for that too...

Reply 2 of 11, by ripsaw8080

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You should be able to substitute a good boot sector from a formatted floppy of the same capacity, or you can manually edit the geometry parameter fields if you know how. If the second FAT is good then you can copy it to the first. Damage to directory entries or file clusters is not so easily repaired.

Reply 4 of 11, by ripsaw8080

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If there is any physical copy protection on the disk, which is unlikely for a game of that time period, it certainly does not involve the boot sector or FATs. However, care should be used when writing to any old media, e.g. using a low-density drive on low-density media; but it's better to do any repairs in an image file than on the original disk.

Reply 5 of 11, by sirlemonhead

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Don't think there's any security protection on the disk and it's probably unlikely given that it's a budget Kixx XL release.

I've just been cobbling together some C/C++ code that'll allow me modify all of the properties of the disk so I can replace the FATS, boot sector properties etc without too much issue. I just ideally want to have everything right... 😀

Reply 6 of 11, by Joey_sw

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is that MicroPlay Software : Sharkey's 3DPool?

The game fits on a 360KB 5.25" floppy.
I use have that game and play it a lot, but the floppy has became bad.

I resort to unofficial sources in 2011. ... it works on DosBox.

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Reply 7 of 11, by Kerr Avon

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Off topic, sort of, but if that game is the same as on the Atari ST, then it's not much good at all. *Much* better are the two games Archer Mclean's Pool and Jimmy White's Snooker, and on the PC they are DOS games so you can run them on almost anything. The best PC pool/snooker game I've ever played though is the Windows only game Virtual Pool 3, which is extremely good, and if you want to play snooker or pool on a PC then I'd definite recommend Virtual Pool 3.

Reply 8 of 11, by Joey_sw

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ripsaw8080 wrote:

If there is any physical copy protection on the disk, which is unlikely for a game of that time period, it certainly does not involve the boot sector or FATs.

If that game really is the Sharkey's 3DPool, i convinced its not contain any copy protection as my friend did nag me for a copy as he can't find it on store anymore, so i did so using diskcopy.

But some other games at time period did employ copy protection.
Zoom! (Dos) released 1 year earlier (1988) which i never able to make any working copy using any standard MSDOS program.

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Reply 9 of 11, by Davros

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that volume label could be copy protection, ive seen that before
micoprose gunship used ascii char 3 in the volume label

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Reply 10 of 11, by sirlemonhead

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Yup it's Sharkey's. I reckon it'd fit on a 360k disk for sure 😀

it's on a white/grey disk and just branded "3D Pool" - 1989 Aardvark software, published by Firebird. Think this is the normal for the UK.

How would the label copy protection work?

Reply 11 of 11, by ripsaw8080

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sirlemonhead wrote:

How would the label copy protection work?

Programs can check the volume label on the floppy drive and refuse to install or operate correctly if a specific label is not found; and an unusual label can present difficulties for someone that only has a copy of the game files. However, anything that is easily reproduced by the DISKCOPY program in DOS or the simplest of image-making programs is weak protection indeed.