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First post, by nault31

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I have a retro project on my hands and I'd like to ask for advice on this particular project. My questions are what laptops to look for and what game port joystick is recommended for a particular game.

I've recently cleaned out my closet and sorted my collection of Papyrus Racing games. They go well with the Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.2 floppies that I recently bought from RetroTech in Peoria, IL. For nostalgia I've been playing the games but would like to setup a machine to natively run these games in particular, the racing ones with a gameport joystick/wheel.

-Indianapolis 500 the Simulation
-IndyCar Racing (1993)
-Nascar Racing (1994)
-Myst (The Win 3.1 version that I've had since 1994)

I know I can run these fine in Win95 but my goal is to create a use for the floppies that I recently bought. There's an old Packard Bell with a 120Mhz sitting in my dad's attic and I'm looking for something "portable" in this project. Also I already have a Dell Latitude C800 that came out of salvage and I plan to repair to use as a Windows 95/98 nostalgia machine. Currently my Windows 2000/XP gaming needs are met by a Dell Latitude D830 and for many years I've successfully ran the racing games in XP with VDMSound and my Logitech Momo Wheel.

My hangups are:

-Game Port compatibility in Windows 3.1. Either a laptop that has a built in dongle (Like the Thinkpad 755CD), PCMCIA adapter if it works in Win 3.1 (Like the New Media Basics PCMCIA adapter that I'm having trouble finding right now), or with a docking station that allows an external sound card.

-CD-ROM and Floppy compatibility
Since the racing games are on floppy and Myst is on CD-ROM, I'd like to have the ability for both either internal or external.

-Joystick/Wheel
For Indycar Racing and Nascar Racing, I'm looking at the Thrustmaster Formula T1 or Formula T2. If there are any other gameport wheels that work in Win 3.1 I'm open to suggestions.
For Indianapolis 500 the Simulation, I'm looking for any joystick that would work. I have not found documentation on compatible joysticks with that game.

-Laptop
I see that the IBM Thinkpad 755CD is already pretty famous for meeting everything and difficult to come by. I even found the game port cable P/N 85G1879 FRU 85G1896 for pretty cheap and wonder if it works for any laptops other than the 755CD.
In my research, I see that a similar adapter P/N 29H9467 FRU 29H9269 that says it is compatible with the ThinkPad 760 and 765.

Are there any other ThinkPads or docking stations that are compatible with these dongles? Or other laptops that meet similar criteria?

I don't need a battery because I plan to take it to a desk and keep it plugged in, then safely put it away.

Currently this is all funded by computer parts/software I sell on eBay. I have $100 to devote now for the laptop alone but that can easily double in the coming weeks. If there are any links please PM me rather than post because I hope that this can also help someone in the future searching via Google.

Reply 1 of 5, by adalbert

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Texas Instruments Travelmate 4000M / active matrix color 10.4". That's the best DOS laptop ever made. I have it with a docking station (which is somewhat "slim", that mean's it adds only some thickness to the notebook and doesn't go beyond the outline). It has sound blaster compatibility, it feels really compact (doesn't have big border around the screen), it has gameport (mini DB-15 - i don't have the adapter, but it is possible to "improvise" it with some wires and hot glue), it has SCSI and great, multimedia docking station - SCSI cd rom, place for SCSI hard drive or additional battery, stereo speakers and volume regulation. It's made in USA and i found somewhere catalogue from 1994 and the price was around 8000$). I use it with Orinoco PCMCIA WiFi card and I can browse the net and listen to mp3 radio stream (22khz) in background.
Downsides (fixable) - the floppy drive, Citizen W1D, has belt mechanism and I had to replace the belt; these drives are often dead after many years. You won't find the original belt, but you can use a 1x1x70mm (or maybe 68mm) tape deck belt.
And the keyboard had some problems with not working keys and I had to put some conductive varnish on the broken traces.
Some photos (that one isn't mine):

http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq4/jed350 … s/sale012-1.jpg
http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq4/jed350 … -1.jpg~original

looks really slim without the docking station; of course it's much heavier than modern notebooks but it has nice design :p
http://collectionerus.ru/media/items-large/__ … 4__10_50_46.jpg

Repair/electronic stuff videos: https://www.youtube.com/c/adalbertfix
ISA Wi-fi + USB in T3200SXC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX30t3lYezs
GUI programming for Windows 3.11 (the easy way): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6L272OApVg

Reply 2 of 5, by Sutekh94

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I can personally vouch for the Toshiba Satellite Pro T2150CDT. Like the TI 4000M, it's got a nice, 10.4" TFT screen. It's also got a 2X CD-ROM drive built in, as well as a Sound Blaster compatible ESS688 AudioDrive with a true OPL3 synth and hardware volume control. Only real disadvantage for games it that it doesn't have a gameport built in, not even a mini gameport - you'd have to buy the docking station for that. And no built in floppy, though external drives seem to be easy to find for decent prices on sites like eBay. The plastics on mine are starting to fail, which is a common problem with older Toshiba laptops like this, though that doesn't effect functionality.

EDIT: Here's some pics of mine:
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Reply 3 of 5, by nault31

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Thank you for the quick input. In the past few hours I've found out that later docking stations for 1995-1998 ThinkPads did have a gameport hookup and may look that route. I'll have to thank ThinkWIki for being something that I found on Google. Among them are the 365 Port Replicator, 380/385 Port Replicator, IBM UltraBase, and SelectaDock. I'm sure most of these were Win95 laptops so I'm researching which ones had backwards compatibility with Dos 6.2/Win3.1 and hopefully gameport support with it.

That TI 4000M caught my eye immediately. There's one on eBay a few towns over from me with a broken LCD but it works on an external monitor. I've never seen a Micro 15 Pin Dsub game port connection so that made me chuckle. Although I can't find a proper adapter cable (the laptop came with one) I can easily find the connections so I'm sure I can solder one if I go that route. This one I found has a 50MHz 486 that retailed around $3800 after a price drop.

Also, I found a port replicator with a gameport Toshiba Part number PA2708U that supports the Satellite Pro T2150, T2155. Seems that this docking station works for Satellite T2100, T2105, T2110, T2115, T2130, T2135 but not the joystick output.

This is exactly what I'm looking for. If I can run a gameport joystick with DOS/Win3.1 I'd rather have it on a docking station to an external monitor like the Dell E-series Latitudes that I currently use at home. I'll keep this thread posted with updates and I appreciate any imput/comments.

Reply 4 of 5, by adalbert

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Check how much memory it has. Without expansion it is only 4MB and 8MB with basic expansion installed. I managed to find the best expansion module and I have total of 20MB now.

Repair/electronic stuff videos: https://www.youtube.com/c/adalbertfix
ISA Wi-fi + USB in T3200SXC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX30t3lYezs
GUI programming for Windows 3.11 (the easy way): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6L272OApVg

Reply 5 of 5, by NJRoadfan

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Give the Compaq LTE 5000 series a look. The hardware is all DOS/Win 3.1x friendly. The only catch is you need the Multibay docking station to get the game/MIDI port. The docking station adds two PC card slots and two Multibay slots so you can run the floppy and CD-ROM at the same time. There was also a version of the docking station with a single ISA slot available too.