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First post, by .legaCy

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Hello, i'm planning to get involved in a new project, i have seen the video from Phil(he is a member on the forum but i don't really remember the username that he uses on forum) that he tell about Pentium 4 builds for Win98SE and late dos games.
Well i have decided the sound card for dos and windows 98 games Diamond Monster Sound (Aureal Vortex 2) ,the memory that i will use 256MB DDR 400, the Video Card will be NVIDIA Quadro4 980 XGL,but i'm having some questions about which motherboard and processor i should use.
My main focus is compatibility and stability,so as Phil have shown in his video its better stick with Intel 865 chipset.
I have two motherboard and processors on my plans, the first one is ASUS P5P800-VM with Pentium 4 3.0ghz /2M/800 (socket 775), the second one is ASUS P4P800e Deluxe with intel Pentium 4 HT 3.2(Socket 478).

So anyone can help me with some tip on which motherboard or cpu i should stick with?

Thanks in advance

Reply 2 of 9, by .legaCy

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What does this have to do with emulation?

Subforum description:Emulation of old PCs, PC hardware, or PC peripherals.

If i'm wrong please some moderator move to the right subforum.

Reply 3 of 9, by PhilsComputerLab

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Hey, they choice of motherboard shouldn't matter. HT you want to disable in the BIOS, but apart from that it should work well.

Are you looking into playing DOS games at higher resolutions?

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Reply 4 of 9, by Stiletto

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Yeah, you're wrong, .legaCy.

If it helps someone like you, here's how to understand that:
Emulation of old PCs, emulation of PC hardware, or emulation of PC peripherals.

You're talking about building a retro rig to run the OS natively. Not running it within an emulation.

So I'm moving this to Marvin.

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Reply 5 of 9, by melbar

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With the ASUS P5P800-VM, you are more flexible to different CPU cooler's and can install it in small cases.

With the ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe, you are more flexible to add more cards and drives..

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Reply 6 of 9, by Tertz

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If you are interested in better compatibility with DOS games, you may use a little more money and create a P3 rig with ISA. In such way you'll also get good fps (without AA sometimes) on resolutions up to 1024x768 in probably all Win9x-only games.

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Reply 7 of 9, by brostenen

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Personally, I wote for YMF-724 cards over Vortex2 cards. This is purely because of the OPL3 core inside the XG-Chip.
Vortex2 or YMF-724. Only a matter of choice/need/taste and nothing else. Yeah... They have different qualities.

If it has to be P4, then go watch Phil's vid' a couple of times, to the point of the pointless.... 🤣
Then go through Vogons, in search of best mobo', best GFX and so on.
If you are a bit so-so on the CPU, yet want that fast class of CPU's. Try searching for the one I build.
I think I called it "The Beast". And yes... It was just too fast for my taste. Yet again. Other might disagree and
want that true P4 machine. The last thing... Keep a lookout for bad GPU-Coolers (GFX) that was sold stock.
I had an Radeon9800-XXL (a special Medion card) that I dare not to keep running more than 15 minutes.
It runs insanely hot, to the brink of me thinking that it will not last more than 6 months.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 8 of 9, by BSA Starfire

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I built a P4 2.53 GHz machine on a SiS( AGP 3.3 Volt) motherboard for a pal of mine a few months back on Win 9X(in fact ME), he wanted a fast 9X system. No doubt it was VERY swift ,but to my mind it was too quick and also well outside it's real time frame.

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Reply 9 of 9, by .legaCy

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Yeah, you're wrong, .legaCy. […]
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Yeah, you're wrong, .legaCy.

If it helps someone like you, here's how to understand that:
Emulation of old PCs, emulation of PC hardware, or emulation of PC peripherals.

You're talking about building a retro rig to run the OS natively. Not running it within an emulation.

So I'm moving this to Marvin.

Thank you , well i'm new here so i'm having a hard time to locate the correct place to post, but it i guess that i'm will get familiar with the forum pretty quick so this won't happen anymore.

Tertz wrote:

If you are interested in better compatibility with DOS games, you may use a little more money and create a P3 rig with ISA. In such way you'll also get good fps (without AA sometimes) on resolutions up to 1024x768 in probably all Win9x-only games.

I'm saving some money to build one super socket 7 with a soundcard that have OPL-3 chip(like the Phils "Building 4 in 1 retro gaming pc" video) that will replace 386,486 and pentium.
Well i'm here because i have seen the link of the forum on some PhilsComputerLab video description.

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Hey, they choice of motherboard shouldn't matter. HT you want to disable in the BIOS, but apart from that it should work well.

Are you looking into playing DOS games at higher resolutions?

First i would like to say, i'm a big fan of your channel, and all of your videos help me a lot with retro hardware and serve as inspiration to build them.
And on this machine i'm looking more to play Win9X games with high performance and also play Duke Nukem 3D with high res and Doom too.
I've already have one build that is ASUS A7V8X-X with Athlon XP 1700+ and 512MB DDR 400 and GeForce FX 5200, it was my first pc back that my mom bought to me when i was 8 yrs (2001) and i know its a crappy system with low end parts.

@all
Thank y'all for replying this topic.
I'm decided that i will go with P5P800-VM and the P4 3.0(Socket 775).