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First post, by Rhuwyn

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As the subject says, I have a Packard Bell Legend 3540 (Pentium 100 16MB of RAM) which I aquired not to long ago. Fully functional and all original.

Everything works...except for sound in dos. It works fine under Windows 95 however.

The soundcard is one of those Packard Bell combo cards that has a 14.4 modem and a Aztech sound chip. The number on the sound chip is AZ2316R. When i google that nothing comes up, looking at the vogon's driver site it mostly uses the more friendly commercial names for the products so not sure which one to try first. In device manager it is identified only was "Packard Bell Sound Card".

I could always switch it out for another card I know I can get to work but i'm really leaning towards keeping this system in it's original condition rather then making a bunch of changes.

Any thoughts?

Reply 1 of 16, by keenerb

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Wasn't that one of those weird combo cards that could either be a modem OR a soundcard at any one time?

Used a programmable chip on the board to handle it, maybe it was even an Interwave device?

Can you take a photo of that modem/soundcard combo?

Reply 3 of 16, by clueless1

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Hey there, I have I think the same sound card. gdjacobs posted working drivers for me here:
Recommend me a Creative ISA card
You might want to read a few posts up to get some context. I've got a photo of my card in that thread too. Hope this helps. Best of luck.

edit: oops! Wrong post I linked to. It should be the one on the next page in that thread:
Recommend me a Creative ISA card

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Reply 4 of 16, by clueless1

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BTW, the card sounds great in DOS. Perfect Yamha OPL, SB Pro 2.0 compatible. The only downside for me was no MIDI daughterboard header.

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Reply 5 of 16, by jesolo

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The card was actually manufactured by Aztech Labs, who was most famous for their Sound Galaxy range of sound cards (I own quite a few of those).
Apart from Packard Bell, they also made OEM sound cards for HP, Trust & Reveal (for the latter the most famous models being the SC400 range).

Jolaes76 recently uploaded the entire Aztech Labs FTP support site to Vogons drivers: http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … 788&menustate=0
Unfortunately, it only includes the original Sound Galaxy range of sound cards, but since many of these OEM models used the same chipsets as the Sound Galaxy sound cards, you should be able to use the drivers of one of the sound cards with a similar chipset.

At face value, the best one to try is probably the Sound Galaxy Pro16II (I38-MMSN845).
I do have some of the generic sound card drivers for the other makes, but unfortunately not one of the combo ones.
However, the modem chipset should be from a well known chipset maker from the 90's (maybe Rockwell?). You should be able to find drivers for those online (although, Windows might already have built in drivers for the modem chipset).

PS: All Aztech chipsets up to AZT2316 were non Plug 'n Play. Only from AZT2320 were they Plug 'n Play.

Reply 6 of 16, by Rhuwyn

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@keenerb this does both at the same time. Not either or.

@clueless1 That looks like it's it. The file name AZR2316 from the other thread even matches the chipset. I remember my old Packard Bell when I was a kid sounding really good as well so I didn't want to waste it. I generally gage how much I like an old soundcard based on how Doom sounds..🤣

I'll report back and confirm if it works or not but it looks promising.

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Reply 7 of 16, by keenerb

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Rhuwyn wrote:

@keenerb this does both at the same time. Not either or.

@clueless1 That looks like it's it. The file name AZR2316 from the other thread even matches the chipset. I remember my old Packard Bell when I was a kid sounding really good as well so I didn't want to waste it. I generally gage how much I like an old soundcard based on how Doom sounds..🤣

I'll report back and confirm if it works or not but it looks promising.

Yeah, sounds like I was wrong. I might be thinking of the Riptide devices, but I'm positive I remember a combo sound/modem that used some sort of programmable dsp(?) to be EITHEr a soundcard OR a modem, because I remember how pissed my roommate was when he couldn't get audio in Doom when we played online.

Aha, "IBM Mwave" modem...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Mwave

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Reply 8 of 16, by Rhuwyn

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jesolo wrote:
The card was actually manufactured by Aztech Labs, who was most famous for their Sound Galaxy range of sound cards (I own quite […]
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The card was actually manufactured by Aztech Labs, who was most famous for their Sound Galaxy range of sound cards (I own quite a few of those).
Apart from Packard Bell, they also made OEM sound cards for HP, Trust & Reveal (for the latter the most famous models being the SC400 range).

Jolaes76 recently uploaded the entire Aztech Labs FTP support site to Vogons drivers: http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … 788&menustate=0
Unfortunately, it only includes the original Sound Galaxy range of sound cards, but since many of these OEM models used the same chipsets as the Sound Galaxy sound cards, you should be able to use the drivers of one of the sound cards with a similar chipset.

At face value, the best one to try is probably the Sound Galaxy Pro16II (I38-MMSN845).
I do have some of the generic sound card drivers for the other makes, but unfortunately not one of the combo ones.
However, the modem chipset should be from a well known chipset maker from the 90's (maybe Rockwell?). You should be able to find drivers for those online (although, Windows might already have built in drivers for the modem chipset).

PS: All Aztech chipsets up to AZT2316 were non Plug 'n Play. Only from AZT2320 were they Plug 'n Play.

Thanks that's a lot of good into. I did see the dump of the FTP site but there were so many things there I didn't want to just start randomly trying one if I could just ask the question and someone happened to know!. Thanks!.

Reply 9 of 16, by Rhuwyn

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keenerb wrote:

Yeah, sounds like I was wrong. I might be thinking of the Riptide devices, but I'm positive I remember a combo sound/modem that used some sort of programmable dsp(?) to be EITHEr a soundcard OR a modem, because I remember how pissed my roommate was when he couldn't get audio in Doom when we played online.

🤣 sounds like an interesting device. Might have to see if I can find one just to see how it works.

Reply 10 of 16, by jesolo

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Rhuwyn wrote:
jesolo wrote:
The card was actually manufactured by Aztech Labs, who was most famous for their Sound Galaxy range of sound cards (I own quite […]
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The card was actually manufactured by Aztech Labs, who was most famous for their Sound Galaxy range of sound cards (I own quite a few of those).
Apart from Packard Bell, they also made OEM sound cards for HP, Trust & Reveal (for the latter the most famous models being the SC400 range).

Jolaes76 recently uploaded the entire Aztech Labs FTP support site to Vogons drivers: http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … 788&menustate=0
Unfortunately, it only includes the original Sound Galaxy range of sound cards, but since many of these OEM models used the same chipsets as the Sound Galaxy sound cards, you should be able to use the drivers of one of the sound cards with a similar chipset.

At face value, the best one to try is probably the Sound Galaxy Pro16II (I38-MMSN845).
I do have some of the generic sound card drivers for the other makes, but unfortunately not one of the combo ones.
However, the modem chipset should be from a well known chipset maker from the 90's (maybe Rockwell?). You should be able to find drivers for those online (although, Windows might already have built in drivers for the modem chipset).

PS: All Aztech chipsets up to AZT2316 were non Plug 'n Play. Only from AZT2320 were they Plug 'n Play.

Thanks that's a lot of good into. I did see the dump of the FTP site but there were so many things there I didn't want to just start randomly trying one if I could just ask the question and someone happened to know!. Thanks!.

Forgot to add. Stay away from the second generation Aztech sound cards (AZT-1605 chipsets). The DAC only supports Sound Blaster 2.0 (not Sound Blaster Pro), but the onboard FM synthesis chip is an OPL3. And, they also seem to have compatibility problems with SoftMPU.

Reply 11 of 16, by NJRoadfan

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The Packard Bell Master CD has drivers for these cards, look for the SOUND144 directory in 1995 Master CD images. They are soft configured using a program called EASYSTAR.EXE to set resources. No programs are required on boot up to initialize the card. Windows 95 has drivers built in for both the sound card and modem. It supports SB Pro 2.0 emulation in DOS and WIndows Sound System for the few games that supported it.

Reply 12 of 16, by Rhuwyn

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So the drivers from clueless1's other thread worked like a charm. Thanks so much!

NJRoadfan wrote:

The Packard Bell Master CD has drivers for these cards, look for the SOUND144 directory in 1995 Master CD images. They are soft configured using a program called EASYSTAR.EXE to set resources. No programs are required on boot up to initialize the card. Windows 95 has drivers built in for both the sound card and modem. It supports SB Pro 2.0 emulation in DOS and WIndows Sound System for the few games that supported it.

I don't have the master CD for this guy but this is definitely good information.

Reply 14 of 16, by Rhuwyn

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clueless1 wrote:

Great! How do you like the way it sounds in DOS games?

So far I've just played Commander Keen 4 because it was handy and only took 1 disk to install. It sounded good to me but I am not really a Commander keen connoisseur. I'll try Doom in a bit and let you know

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Reply 15 of 16, by Rhuwyn

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keenerb wrote:

Aha, "IBM Mwave" modem...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Mwave

WOW, I have to be honest with you I half thought you had dreamed that thing up. Sounds like something to jump on if you ever run across it just to say you have one.

Reply 16 of 16, by keenerb

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Rhuwyn wrote:
keenerb wrote:

Aha, "IBM Mwave" modem...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Mwave

WOW, I have to be honest with you I half thought you had dreamed that thing up. Sounds like something to jump on if you ever run across it just to say you have one.

I was doubting my own recollection as well. It is a terrible, terrible device that I now have to buy because MEMORIES...