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First post, by squareguy

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I got to thinking about the parts I have laying around for my time machine computer, when I get time to get it all together and finish it, and had this thought.

The most precious piece of the entire system is the motherboard. It has to be Socket/Super Socket 7 and it has to have BIOS support for the AMD K6-2+/K6-3+ CPU's and those boards are becoming rarer by the day. We can recap them and do a few small repairs but that is about it to keep these things running. The more power these things use, the shorter their lifespan. So... here is one idea I had to decrease the power draw on the AGP port and its associated capacitors/etc. Instead of using say a Riva TNT/TNT2, which has great DOS compatibility and speed, why not 'emulate' it with a more modern piece of hardware? I know... I said it may be my dumbest idea yet. Choose a performance criteria... say Riva 128ZX, or Riva TNT2 Ultra and look at its fill rate and memory bandwidth. Then take my trusty Quadro4 380 XGL and underclock the GPU and RAM to simulate those specs. More modern GPU built on a smaller fab size, lower voltages (assuming), and underclocked for even less power draw. Modify the clocks in the GPU's BIOS and reflash it, no utilities that wouldn't work in DOS and definitely add a custom VGA BIOS post message;)

For instance:

Riva TNT2
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Core Clock: 125MHz
Memory Clock: 150-MHz SDR
MPixel/s: 250
MTexture/s: 250
Memory GB/s: 2.4

Quadro4 380 XGL
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Core Clock: 275MHz (has a 2x advantage due to double pipelines over TNT2)
Memory Clock: 513MHz DDR (has a 2x advantage due to DDR)
MPixel/s: 1100
MTexture/s: 1100
Memory GB/s: 8.2

Emulated TNT2
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Core Clock: 62.5MHz (has a 2x advantage due to double pipelines over TNT2)
Memory Clock: 150MHz DDR (has a 2x advantage due to DDR)
MPixel/s: 250
MTexture/s: 250
Memory GB/s: 2.4

I bet it will run almost dead cold and barely pull any power.

I might get a chance to try it this week and see if it runs correctly at such low clocks.

Really dumb idea?

Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE

Reply 1 of 5, by clueless1

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Not a dumb idea. 😀 Another simple approach to fine-tune the clocks on the "emulated" gpu is to run 3dmarks and compare. Tweak clock rates til you get right at the TNT2 score.

I like the way you're thinking...and would love to see the fruits of your "dumb idea". Anyhow, anyone with a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz has to get it right every once in awhile! 😉 (my favorite sound card if you haven't guessed).

Cheers!

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Reply 2 of 5, by squareguy

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Another option might be a 3dfx Velocity 100 underclocked to 'emulate' Voodoo 1 or Voodoo 2 speeds. We don't need a tremendous amount of 3d power for such a box, that's what a Windows 98 box is for.

Gateway 2000 Case and 200-Watt PSU
Intel SE440BX-2 Motherboard
Intel Pentium III 450 CPU
Micron 384MB SDRAM (3x128)
Compaq Voodoo3 3500 TV Graphics Card
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card
Western Digital 7200-RPM, 8MB-Cache, 160GB Hard Drive
Windows 98 SE

Reply 3 of 5, by Oldskoolmaniac

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vmware has a good emulation going on right now, but it would be cool if u could select the graphics card and cpu type you wanted to use and load the actual drivers for it. It would be a lot of work and would never happen, but how sweet would emulation really be if it was like that.

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Reply 4 of 5, by nforce4max

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I wouldn't mod boards like that, if anything I would rather bypass the onboard vrm and just have some sort of vrm module taking power from the 5v or 12v rail and powering the slot that way after conversion. Emulating performance through underclocking the cards is a much easier and reasonable option for most people that doesn't require any hard core modding. Doing pci builds while more expensive is still an option for those who are unable to find super 7 agp boards. There are still a steady supply of oem and lower end SS7 boards as well those HX/TX atx boards.

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Reply 5 of 5, by Putas

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I very much like the idea of comparing graphics architectures across many generations, wanted to get there myself.