First post, by Sandi1987
Which is the best way to play old Windows 98/XP games?
Which is the best way to play old Windows 98/XP games?
With passion and nostalgia.
The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.
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In tandem with plenty of coffee & donuts! Probably not the answer you're looking for but the question is a bit "wide open".
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I mean in Windows 10. PCem is slow. VMware not working good in older 3D games (only Software Mode). VirtualBox doesn't have 3D Acceleration.
Depends on the game. Some will work natively. For some, there may be a patched version (check GoG).
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Why I will never give up my Windows 7 machine that pretty much runs anything (with the help from utilities like dgVoodoo). If you really love retro PC gaming I would have a dual boot config or another machine just for your retro PC gaming.
wrote:With passion and nostalgia.
wrote:In tandem with plenty of coffee & donuts! Probably not the answer you're looking for but the question is a bit "wide open".
🤣. made my day.
wrote:I mean in Windows 10. PCem is slow. VMware not working good in older 3D games (only Software Mode). VirtualBox doesn't have 3D Acceleration.
If your motherboard supports virtualization and hardware passthrough, you should be able to at least have hardware acceleration in VMWare with XP as long as your hardware has drivers for XP. Most games written for XP should just work though.
With Windows 98 you are pretty much hosed for hardware acceleration as any newer hardware is not going to have drivers for Windows 9x.
So yeah, redone games from GoG and/or build yourself a retro box for games that will not work.
Or wine 😀 No need for many of those patches or worrying about 3d acceleration not working in wine
Another "probably not the answer you're looking for" but I'm not joking: Fastest available period correct hardware.
The above is solely based on your thread's title, even though I'm assuming from your later post that you're referring to windows games.
wrote:Or wine 😀 No need for many of those patches or worrying about 3d acceleration not working in wine
VMware + Wine?
wrote:VirtualBox doesn't have 3D Acceleration.
Does through OpenGL passthrough (WinXP+ guests and Linux guests only)
wrote:Why I will never give up my Windows 7 machine that pretty much runs anything (with the help from utilities like dgVoodoo).
Yup, Win 7 can be seen as the peak in Windows technology. And like with any other technology at this point, there's just one path that is leading further - the path downwards. 😉
wrote:If you really love retro PC gaming I would have a dual boot config or another machine just for your retro PC gaming.
Or run an virtualization software with PCI or PCIe pass-trough. If your machine can do that and has one or two spare PCI slots,
just add a vintage gfx card and a sound card. Maybe, you can even share (switch) the host gfx card between guest/host (not tried).
Anyway, just imagine it to be similar to the more common USB pass-through thing. ^^
Some monitors are even smart enough to swich different inputs automatically, so there's no KVM switch
(not to be confused with KVM virtual software) necessary.
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wrote:In tandem with plenty of coffee & donuts! Probably not the answer you're looking for but the question is a bit "wide open".
wrote:Or wine 😀 No need for many of those patches or worrying about 3d acceleration not working in wine
I'd prefer something a bit more salty and replace wine with single malt 😀
Or Irish Coffee 😀
Virtualization has compatibility issues.
WINE has compatibility issues.
Emulation has performance issues.
Using old hardware has performance issues.
Using new hardware has compatibility issues.
Oh and everything has both compatibility and performance issues, I just wrote down what the largest problem is for all of them. There is no universal "best way".
I would search for the best software solution on a per game basis and if you can't find it... time to invest in some hardware.
Why PCem supports only 4 MB GPU? It's not enough for older Windows games.
wrote:Why PCem supports only 4 MB GPU?
Because programming support for newer video cards is a lot of work.
List these "older windows games".
Also why do people refer to all video cards as a GPU?
You've already complained that pcem is too slow and now you want to play 1999+ (I'm guessing) games on it that require a GPU?
or are you wanting to play old games at 1280x1024+ 32bit in pcem and if so why?
Can i play older 3D games in VMware or VirtualBox in Windows 98?
I found this.
https://duncanbowring.wordpress.com/2015/12/0 … -audio-drivers/
wrote:Can i play older 3D games in VMware or VirtualBox in Windows 98?
I found this.
https://duncanbowring.wordpress.com/2015/12/0 … -audio-drivers/
Virtualization support for 3D acceleration is very limited and almost none of it is meant for Windows 98 guests.
You might be able to play an old 3D game in a Windows 98 guest on one of the virtualization software solutions, but it would be pretty complicated to setup and would for 99% of games be worse than the alternatives.
There is no universal solution. Stop looking for one. It does not exist. If it did, the people here would know about it.