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First post, by Ozzuneoj

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So, I recently purchased a computer scrap lot that turned out to be almost entirely junk. A decent amount of scrap value, for sure, but most of the parts I wanted to save from the lot were either damaged or had been stripped of their capacitors.

There were a few parts that looked okay though. One of them was a very generic looking Slot 1 + S370 micro-ATX board that had that classic PCChips look with the made up name printed on the northbridge heatsink. This particular board is a marked as an "Xcel2000" and has an SIS620 chipset, integrated SIS video, CMI8738 PCI audio and one shared ISA\PCI slot... not so good. It came with a 366Mhz Celeron Mendocino. Thankfully, it booted up fine. The BIOS setup showed the CPU set at 66x3.5=233Mhz, but I figured it was just because the CPU was locked and these settings were innactive. I ran some tests and it seemed stable, with the CPU reporting and performing correctly for a Celeron 366.

Since it was all working I decided to throw in some PCI VGA cards I'd harvested from the lot to test them out. First up was a CL GD5434, which worked fine. Then I tried out an AOPEN SIS 6326... and things got weird. It loaded a nice VGA BIOS screen and then started to display the startup messages... the screen had some alignment issues on my LCD so it was moving around a lot, but then I noticed that it now said "Celeron 550Mhz"... whuhhh?

I let it continue to boot from my DOS tester SD card, loaded Speedsys, and sure enough, the system was now running with a 100Mhz FSB, so the CPU was now at 550Mhz, up from 366! The speedsys benchmark confirmed that it was definitely really running at this speed. It also showed that the 8MB memory normally reserved for the integrated video was now freed up for system RAM (it seems to do this with any PCI video card installed). The BIOS setup still showed the same completely-incorrect 66x3.5 settings.

What on earth would cause this??? If I put the CL card back in or use the integrated video, it runs at 366, but with the SIS 6326 in the lone PCI slot, it overclocks the system by almost 60%!

I only own a few PCChips boards right now, but of the three, I have one with fake hollow-plastic cache chips, one that comes with a Duron overclocked via a 105Mhz FSB and now this one that overclocks the CPU when an SIS video card is installed.

I can't believe these boards even work. 🤣

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 1 of 6, by SW-SSG

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Weeeird... and this only happens with the 6326, right? Have you tried any other cards than the 6326 and GD5434?

I could have imagined the cheap thin PC Chips PCB flexing and triggering a different FSB jumper setting just by (re-)inserting some expansion cards, but if the board only does it with that one card...

Reply 2 of 6, by Anonymous Coward

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If your 366 works at 550, that's pretty cool. I seem to remember the 366 normally didn't work at that speed.

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Reply 3 of 6, by cxm717

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I have a very similar board. The M748LMRT, it's pretty much the same board only AT instead of ATX form factor. The layout of the ATX version looks much better. My board needs 5 ribbon cables for VGA, audio, etc. Too bad I don't have a Sis video card to see if it overclocks. I do have a Celeron 300A that runs at 450MHz. I might try a few cards in it and see what happens.

Reply 4 of 6, by RetroBus

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Scored a new old stock motherboard from 2006, an ASUS P5WD2-E Premium and discovered that even brand new hardware from the capacity plague error even if not used still can have bulging caps!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5gY-GJTzGs

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Reply 5 of 6, by st31276a

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It is time and heat that gets the bad electrolytics. Under normal operation they should not take any strain (aging) electrically.

Reply 6 of 6, by Ozzuneoj

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RetroBus wrote on 2026-01-24, 00:13:

Scored a new old stock motherboard from 2006, an ASUS P5WD2-E Premium and discovered that even brand new hardware from the capacity plague error even if not used still can have bulging caps!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5gY-GJTzGs

I'm thinking this post was intended to go into the found\bought new hardware thread?

st31276a wrote on 2026-01-24, 10:37:

It is time and heat that gets the bad electrolytics. Under normal operation they should not take any strain (aging) electrically.

It is common for defective caps from the plague era to be leaking on unused boards still in packaging. I've seen it many times when looking at listings for new old stock Socket A or Socket 478 boards.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.