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First post, by MillenniumEagle

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I recently aquired an old Sony Vaio laptop, model PCG-9401, though it goes by various other model names as well. It came with Windows ME but when I got it, had Windows XP installed. This, of course, is useless to me; if I wanted a good Windows NT based device I would use my more recent computers, so I'd rather do something like reinstall Window ME to gain compatibility with all the Pre-NT Windows software as well as various DOS games. However, it is here that I wonder what the best OS for that job is. I see no reason that it can't run Windows 98SE if it runs ME, though I'm not sure if the hardware compatibility is an issue (I believe this is the model I have, though I can't turn it on to check right now https://www.manualslib.com/manual/320109/Sony … o-Pcg-F630.html).

I am also not sure what OS is the best to install in the first place. I want something that is compatible with as much Pre-NT and DOS software as possible. Vanilla Windows 98SE tends to be a strong recommendation, but I know it doesn't come with a lot of features Windows ME does. At the same time, I know vanilla Windows ME comes with some improved features, but it's DOS compatibility goes down. I have heard stability complaints about both 98SE and ME, as well as reports of both working just fine as well.

I also know that there are various unofficial modifications to Windows 98 you can install, such as 98SE2ME and U98SESP3, but I'm not sure which are the most stable or will grant me the most access to important functionality. I'm leaning towards an option like this, although I don't know what the best option in this area would be for me.

I don't need this thing to act as my new computer, I need it to just work as well as possible and work with as much software as possible. I don't need any modifications that make it look prettier or makes it run more recent software if it breaks compatibility with the software I want it to. At the same time, it doesn't need to be period correct; if a modern modification makes it much easier to use or more compatible with certain hardware or something and it doesn't break any compatibility or stability, then by all means I want it. Just let me know; what is the best option for me, 98SE, ME, or some modification of either?

Reply 1 of 7, by dr_st

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In a nutshell I'd say:

If you want to play games in pure DOS - choose 98SE. If you are OK with playing DOS games only from under Windows - ME is probably a slightly better option.

In the end it all depends on your sound device. Does it provide a Sound Blaster compatibility layer in its Windows drivers? Does it have DOS drivers? If it does not have DOS drivers, then running pure DOS is rather pointless.

If you do end up choosing 98SE, I would not install any service packs. The "unofficial service pack" struck me as a huge piece of unconfigurable and mostly useless bloat. Hand-pick the selected few things actually useful, like the USB drivers, maybe KernelEx, and a few others.

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Reply 2 of 7, by cyclone3d

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The newer unofficial service packs for 98SE are pretty much trash from my experience. The only ones that ever worked properly for me were the ones that only installed the official MS updates and a few other things such as NUSB. The newer ones end up jacking a bunch of stuff up and make a bunch of stuff not work properly.

Just install the drivers you need and then the official updates from the February 2004 Microsoft update CD. It is available from vogonsdrivers
http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … =873&menustate=

Then you can also install nusb (universal USB driver for Windows 9x) if you need USB storage support.

That laptop has "Hardware MIDI" according to the marketing specs.
https://usermanual.wiki/Sony/PCGF630.2672184880/html

That means it has a Yamaha YMF-7x4 (probably 744) sound chip in it. The Sony laptops with that are wired up with the PC-PCI / SB-Link so you get full DOS compatibility including genuine Yamaha OPL3.

You also have hardware MIDI in Windows

They are killer laptops for DOS/Windows 9x.

You've also got a K6-2+ 550 CPU in there. So you should also have the ability for on-the-fly CPU multiplier change, disable/enable cache, etc.
https://www.philscomputerlab.com/k6-2-2-3-resources.html

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Reply 3 of 7, by MillenniumEagle

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Hmm...It seems to come with an ESS Maestro 3. There seems to be unofficial DOS drivers for it http://www.dosforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=811 but they seem to be for the desktop versions; maybe that doesn't matter, I don't know. Either way, it doesn't seem to be all that capable of a sound card for DOS programs/games anyway. I'm wondering if I should just install Windows ME at this point anyway if that's the case. I just hope I can find a good use for this thing if that's the case.

Are there any recommended steps to take when reinstalling ME if that ends up being the right answer? I know disabling System Restore is something people like to do, along with other "bloat." What would be a good idea to leave out using 98Lite, for example?

Reply 4 of 7, by cyclone3d

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Hmmm.. I wonder if they changed the specs before they actually released it.

I haven't seen any before that say "Hardware MIDI" in the marketing specs that isn't a Yamaha YMF sound chip.

However, the user manual only says "16-bit CD-quality stereo sound" on page 80
https://docs.sony.com/release/pcgf610-630.pdf

That's actually really sad.

Yamaha modified setupds and drivers
Yamaha XG repository
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Aopen AW744L II SB-LINK

Reply 5 of 7, by oeuvre

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That's a nice 98SE gaming laptop.

HP Z420 Workstation Intel Xeon E5-1620, 32GB, RADEON HD7850 2GB, SSD + HD, XP/7
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Reply 6 of 7, by MillenniumEagle

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Well, upon opening up a few DOS programs in XP, The Savage Empire and Wolf 3D fail to find a way to play music, though sound effects work in Wolf 3D. Tyrian 2000 seems to work, but the midi music sounds awful and skips around; probably can blame software MIDI for that.

I'm going to hope that it's an XP driver issue or something and try installing some other OS on in, probably 98SE with 98lite. If I still can't get it to work on another OS with other drives, then I'll try this Yamaha Soft Synthesizer S-YXG50 2.02t-E at Vetusware.

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Reply 7 of 7, by dr_st

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The compatibility of NT-based OSes with DOS games has always been inferior to that of Win9x. Don't draw too many conclusions based on that.

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