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Reply 26380 of 32116, by RandomStranger

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I bought these 2 days ago and just arrived:

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A Matrox Millennium, soon serve as a friend for my Maxi Gamer 3D Voodoo.
An Elsa Erazor X2-A32 to help my Pentium 3 733MHz Slot1 CPU as soon as I find a good motherboard (Abit BF6 maybe?).
ATi Mach64, I'm planning to use it with a non-MMX Pentium. I have an SY016 with a Gigabyte GA-586T2 though I didn't have the time to test them.
And lastly an MSI G4Ti4200-TD64 with a really ugly heatsink for my Pentium III-S 1.26GHz Tualatin.

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Reply 26381 of 32116, by cyclone3d

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jaZz_KCS wrote:

Well you can of course reroute the MIDI out from you main soundcard to the MIDI in of the SW1000XG and have it or the sW60XG playback the General MIDI soundtrack of your games, which will make the MT32 pale in comparison.

Right.. but since I do not have any daughterboards for my SW1000XG, I was unsure if I would be able to reroute it for a game to use.

Not sure I would say that the SW1000XG would sound better than the MT-32 for games that were made to use the MT-32. Probably just preference though.

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Reply 26382 of 32116, by Baoran

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Bought this vlb video card from Finnish auction site and it arrived today. I only had one vlb video card before that a tseng labs et4000/w32p and it is in my 486 33Mhz pc. Now I have a spare in case the one in there fails. Both of my cards have 2mb memory.

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I wonder how compatibility and performance of the new card compares to the old tseng labs card.

Reply 26383 of 32116, by yawetaG

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cyclone3d wrote:
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- PLG100-VH vocal harmony
- PLG100-DX DX7 FM synthesis

Any games make use of/enhanced by these?

Nope, totally for music production... I wonder if you can re-route midi to them though. That would be pretty trippy to have DX7 play your MIDI.

I have an SY-99 keyboard (FM + Synth). I haven't tried using it for MIDI in games though.

You can't do that. The MIDI specs on such FM synths are completely different than on GM modules. First and foremost, they are not standardised like GM, but also there can be major differences between the MIDI specs of different FM synths. Furthermore, the PLG100-DX has some voice loading issues - it has to happen through a specific software editor and the method Yamaha chose is pretty bone-headed.

On the other hand, if you were to stuff the PLG-100VH in a XG module such as the MU-128, MU-1000, or MU-2000, you might be able to use the effects on GM or XG music.

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Reply 26384 of 32116, by dionb

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Baoran wrote:

Bought this vlb video card from Finnish auction site and it arrived today. I only had one vlb video card before that a tseng labs et4000/w32p and it is in my 486 33Mhz pc. Now I have a spare in case the one in there fails. Both of my cards have 2mb memory.

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I wonder how compatibility and performance of the new card compares to the old tseng labs card.

In pure DOS VGA, I'd expect the ET4000 to win performance, the S3 928 in SVGA compatibility. Probably the 928 would win in Windows performance, as for SVGA DOS performance... no idea...

Both are very decent cards though 😀

Reply 26385 of 32116, by kixs

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Baoran wrote:

Bought this vlb video card from Finnish auction site and it arrived today. I only had one vlb video card before that a tseng labs et4000/w32p and it is in my 486 33Mhz pc. Now I have a spare in case the one in there fails. Both of my cards have 2mb memory.

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I wonder how compatibility and performance of the new card compares to the old tseng labs card.

S3 928 is older than ET4000/32p and it's slower both in DOS and Windows. But it's a good card none the less.

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Reply 26386 of 32116, by liqmat

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You know, Trident is always getting a bad wrap and most of the time deservedly so, but this little guy actually benched exactly the same as a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card of mine and beat out quite a few of my other ISA VGA cards. Not bad from a Trident card.

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Reply 26387 of 32116, by schlang

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how about Oak cards? 😁

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Reply 26388 of 32116, by liqmat

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schlang wrote:

how about Oak cards? 😁

Oak cards are great for a few types of games. They work great with point and click adventures for one. It really depends on what you are using them for. This particular model I benched came fairly close to that Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card. Not too shabby either.

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Reply 26389 of 32116, by bjwil1991

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That OAK card looks pretty good. How much video memory does it have on there?

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Reply 26392 of 32116, by Intel486dx33

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liqmat wrote:
schlang wrote:

how about Oak cards? 😁

Oak cards are great for a few types of games. They work great with point and click adventures for one. It really depends on what you are using them for. This particular model I benched came fairly close to that Diamond Stealth 24 ISA card. Not too shabby either.

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That was my first ISA graphics card "Oak tech"
I later upgraded to a SVGA card I think it was a VLB Cirrus Logic or Trident. S3 are good too.
I would go with a SVGA card. Graphics are allot better than VGA.

Reply 26393 of 32116, by liqmat

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badmojo wrote:

There are some nice ISA era Trident based cards for sure, never seen a good VLB Trdient though.

Funny you should mention that. I have two Cirrus Logic chip based VLB cards and a Trident chip based VLB card and both the Cirrus Logic VLB cards definitely outperform the Trident card, but not substantially.

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Intel486dx33 wrote:

That was my first ISA graphics card "Oak tech"
I later upgraded to a SVGA card I think it was a VLB Cirrus Logic or Trident. S3 are good too.
I would go with a SVGA card. Graphics are allot better than VGA.

It all depends on what type of system you are trying to build. If it's a 386 system, like I am building shortly, I want to bench all my ISA cards. Probably that Oak card I showed above since most games on a 386 wont need more than that. If it's an early Pentium build, sure, SVGA might fit into that. SVGA really didn't get good performance, in my experience, until the mid 90s right before the 3D cards started coming to market. I remember MechWarrior 2 just barely getting by in SVGA on my Pentium 100.

Reply 26394 of 32116, by bjwil1991

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Ah, Cirrus Logic CL-GD5428. My Packard Bell Pack-Mate 28 Plus has that integrated (VLB) onto the motherboard. Planning on upgrading the video memory to 2MB using the ZIP memory.

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Reply 26395 of 32116, by tayyare

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schlang wrote:

how about Oak cards? 😁

The only Oak card that I have (original from my first PC) is actually a lovely card, if not the fastest around (definitely not, even any Trident can run loops around around it).

It has both digital/TTL (9 pin) and analog/VGA (15 pin) outputs, switches to put it in hardware emulation modes like MDA/CGA/EGA, and it works both in 16 and 8 bit ISA slots.

It's the most versatile card I ever had.

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Reply 26396 of 32116, by liqmat

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tayyare wrote:
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schlang wrote:

how about Oak cards? 😁

The only Oak card that I have (original from my first PC) is actually a lovely card, if not the fastest around (definitely not, even any Trident can run loops around around it).

It has both digital/TTL (9 pin) and analog/VGA (15 pin) outputs, switches to put it in hardware emulation modes like MDA/CGA/EGA, and it works both in 16 and 8 bit ISA slots.

It's the most versatile card I ever had.

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I think I have an earlier version of your card. Not familiar with the 9-pin digital VGA output personally.

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Reply 26397 of 32116, by Der_Richter

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Bought another AS/400 system for cheap. I really don’t have the space for another one, but the company that owned it was going to migrate and trash it. Can’t have any of that happening to such a gorgeous setup. So I bought it for about 5 usd 😀 Now to figure out where to put it...

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Reply 26398 of 32116, by tayyare

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liqmat wrote:
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schlang wrote:

how about Oak cards? 😁

The only Oak card that I have (original from my first PC) is actually a lovely card, if not the fastest around (definitely not, even any Trident can run loops around around it).

It has both digital/TTL (9 pin) and analog/VGA (15 pin) outputs, switches to put it in hardware emulation modes like MDA/CGA/EGA, and it works both in 16 and 8 bit ISA slots.

It's the most versatile card I ever had.

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I think I have an earlier version of your card. Not familiar with the 9-pin digital VGA output personally.

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9 pin output is not VGA, it's for EGA/CGA/MDA monitors

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Reply 26399 of 32116, by liqmat

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tayyare wrote:

9 pin output is not VGA, it's for EGA/CGA/MDA monitors

Ah, I misread your first post. Sorry about that. I am familiar with 9-pin CGA/EGA.