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Wow, has anyone actually looked at benchmarks of these cards? I was really surprised when I started reading into it more... The […]
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Wow, has anyone actually looked at benchmarks of these cards? I was really surprised when I started reading into it more... The 7800GS is often beat by the 6800GT with the 7600GT generally beating them both, often by quite a bit.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/review-leadtek-wi … 20-benchmark-13

Makes me regret going through a bunch of trouble over a 7800GS that got damaged in shipping last year. They definitely aren't worth trying to use over a 6800GT.

Now I think I need to do some thorough benchmarks one of these days. I have an EpoX 9NDA3J Nforce 3 Ultra + A64 X2 4200+ that's just itching for some "high end" AGP card benchmarks. I sold my 6800 Ultra recently so I won't have that to benchmark, but I want to see how a 7600GS (GDDR2), 6600GT (GDDR3), 6800GT, 6800, 5950 Ultra (two different brands), 5800 and 9800 Pro compare.

I think it was due to the drivers or the system back then (beeing a bottleneck).
The 7800GS is a 16pp 256bit card just as the 6800ultra and 6800gt. It is however clocked a tiny bit higher as the Ultra on the memory and a tiny bit lower on the Core and therefor matches it in most scenario's. The 6800GT should be slower for sure.
The 7600GT is a 12pp 128bit card but with very high clocks, compensating speed for the lack of ''muscle''. In case of a game that can make use of the 256bit memory bandwidth and more pixelpipe power the topdogs will be faster. But on lower settings/res the 7600GT is a screamer. Was a great card for the money at the time. The 7800GS should have had higher clocks stock and 20pp (but that became the 7900GS agp later).

The 7800GS was cheaper compared to the 6800Ultra and for that reason it made a bit of sense, but it was still too slow/expensive.

Would there be a big difference between 7800gs and x1950 pro in Crysis?

More than twice on any settings beyond low.

so if I understood correctly, radeon x1950 pro would double nvidia 7800gs performance and Radeon HD 3850 might double performance of x1950 pro?

Baoran wrote:

so if I understood correctly, radeon x1950 pro would double nvidia 7800gs performance and Radeon HD 3850 might double performance of x1950 pro?

Pretty much, yeah.

Radeon 3850 fall flat when any antialiasing is involved. In some rare cases performance is even below Radeon 1900XTX.

The Serpent Rider wrote:

Radeon 3850 fall flat when any antialiasing is involved. In some rare cases performance is even below Radeon 1900XTX.

True, and I think x1900xt(x), x1950xt(x), hd2900xt, hd4670 and hd3850 are on AVERAGE pretty equal performers, depending on the game. But hd3850 comes out on top.

But where will you find a x1900xt series agp card (affordable)? Not talking about the x1950pro agp ofcourse which is also pretty decent.. I think the x1900xt or x1950xt in agp are just as hard to find/expensive/scarce as the fx5800Ultra. Making the hd3850 agp the best choice also money-wise.

And even with AA the hd3850 is faster than any Nvidia agp card without AA .

But I love my Gainward 7800gs+ cards (with 7950GT core) and my other geforce7 agp cards. And my favorite Ati agp would be the X850XT PE agp as it is very fast and it has PLATINUM EDITION in the name, it must be king right? 😎

But where will you find a x1900xt series agp card (affordable)?

Even if you find one, this card has only 256mb.

The Serpent Rider wrote:

But where will you find a x1900xt series agp card (affordable)?

Even if you find one, this card has only 256mb.

I know, should be enough for most tasks given to such a card?

A bigger problem for those ultra highend agp cards is to not bottleneck them with slow cpu's. You are really getting into Core2duo/PCI-E territory and for that: Windows XP and beyond.
I do like AMD Athlon XP setups with fast 6800Ultra/geforce7 cards but they are really without purpose when it comes to my retro gaming and can easily be replaced with faster Core2 setups or newer.

And sure, Asrock has some nice Core2 capable boards that still can use agp (I have one) but again, no real use for that..but still fun to play with.

I hated the decision back then but looking back Nvidia was right to stop at the 7800GS initially (later agreed to let partners release 7900 series agp cards). People with agp setups really had too slow cpu's for getting better fps out of the new cards.

An Athlon64 system with an X800xt/x850xt and a PCI sound card with decent SB Pro legacy audio makes for one hell of a fast and compatible Win98 setup, that is not something you can do with a Core 2 setup.

that is not something you can do with a Core 2 setup.

There's a whole thread dedicated to Asrock motherboards capable of doing exactly that. But that's not even the wildest option available.

I used to have win98se in my athlon64 fx-60 system with 7800gs, but I kind of figured it out that there is no point in having win98 in anything faster than pentium 3. Main thing is that you can't have enough conventional memory to play dos games free in the system because at least on my motherboard the bios and also video bios of 7800gs steals big chunk of memory that would normally be used to load dos drivers to UMB areas in dos, so using it as dos/win98se/winXP multiOS system feels pretty clumsy even when motherboard does have win98 drivers.

Pentium Dual-Core E5800 @ 4GHz :

FX-60 will gimp top perf. on both 4670 and 3850.

6000 series REALLY doesn't like SM3.0 games. 7000 series is a lot better, however even that doesn't come close to Radeon X19x0 series performance.
In newer games, Radeons are unbeatable. In NV optimised ones (OpenGL) and older ones - NV is better.

7000 series is a lot better

They aren't, vanilla 7800GS will work almost exactly as 6800 Ultra.

GeForce 6/7 have rather basic support for SM 3.0. It's slow. It's a bit like GF5's SM2.0. It's more there for experimentation than heavy game implementation. ATI on the other hand didn't bother to support SM 3.0 at all until R500 and then they went all out and it performed quite well.

The Serpent Rider wrote:

7000 series is a lot better

They aren't, vanilla 7800GS will work almost exactly as 6800 Ultra.

Maybe in Quake III Arena 😉
7800 GS > 7600 GT
Doom 3
7600 GT :

6800 Ultra :

7800 GS > 7600 GT

On stock clocks - no.

It does get slightly better in some scenarios where both higher ROP count (mostly with AA) and memory bandwidht are favored:

For the lower voltage AGP bus 4x and 8x - Radeon HD 4670

For the 3.3V AGP 2x systems - Radeon 9800 Pro or GeForce FX 5950

What about HD2xxx Series

i run a HD2600 inside a Athlon XP 3000+, but i think its cpu limited 😳

What about HD2xxx Series

Horrible cards.