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First post, by SirNickity

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I bought an Audigy ES (SB0160) from the 'Bay recently, installed it in my Pentium 4, and it did not work. Windows didn't detect the card at all -- no new hardware found, nothing in Device Manager, and the Audigy driver setup program complained that the card wasn't installed.

OK, I figured.. bad card. It happens. So I bought another. A week later... SAME EXACT DEAL. Not detected, nothing in Device Manager, setup says nobody here by that name.

Bad PCI slot? Moved it around -- no help. Plugged in a 3C905C, Windows detected it on boot-up and had drivers installed before I saw the desktop. Tried a SB Live! 5.1 PCI card -- no problem. A little hard disk activity, a pop-up balloon status update or two, and Windows XP played its intro tune.

Well, maybe that motherboard just doesn't agree with this card. So I installed it in my Pentium II board. Nothing. Pentium III? Nothing. Swapped it for the other (bad?) card. Nothing. Doesn't even show up in the POST card list.

So, I can accept one DOA card as just part of the retro experience. But two? That are dead in exactly the same way? That makes me wonder. I've got half a dozen other Sound Blasters of various vintages and origins -- all work fine.

Are these particular cards just like really fragile or something? Are they super picky? Am I doing something exceedingly stupid?
The metal plate does go toward the back of the case, right? 😜

Reply 1 of 7, by canthearu

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Not as far as I knew.

My original Audigy value only died because one of the PCI contacts corroded.

Reply 2 of 7, by doaks80

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Ive only seen one dead sound card in my life, and that was because it rusted out in humid conditions.

k6-3+ 400 / s3 virge DX+voodoo1 / awe32(32mb)
via c3 866 / s3 savage4+voodoo2 sli / audigy1+awe64(8mb)
athlon xp 3200+ / voodoo5 5500 / diamond mx300
pentium4 3400 / geforce fx5950U / audigy2 ZS
core2duo E8500 / radeon HD5850 / x-fi titanium

Reply 3 of 7, by cyclone3d

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I did have an Audigy card die way back in the day.

That is how the generally fail from what I have seen over the years. They just stop being detected.

It wouldn't surprise me if a few of the ones I have that I haven't tested are dead.

Could be something as simple as bad caps.. but the one I had that died started overheating first and then stopped working all together and it was probably only 2 years old when it died so I kinda doubt it was caps.

I've also seen a few bad SB Live! cards as well.

Yamaha modified setupds and drivers
Yamaha XG repository
YMF7x4 Guide
Aopen AW744L II SB-LINK

Reply 4 of 7, by SirNickity

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I have only had one sound card fail as well - and only partially at that. It's a PAS16 that was also obviously from a humid environment because all the rear ports were old and rusty looking. I replaced the DB15 and audio jacks, plus the large caps that are presumably in the audio path. Still barely any audio coming out of it. I'm not sure if the switched jacks I got are correct (NO vs NC) though, since I couldn't get the old ones out without melting the plastic and loosening the legs to the point they weren't making contact anymore.

One of the sellers offered to ship a replacement, and I picked up another just in case. I don't relish the idea of spending so much on a lottery just to have an Audigy for the sake of having an Audigy. Especially if they're failure prone. So here's hoping it was just bad luck.

Reply 5 of 7, by chinny22

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not that I think the original Audigy was more fragile then the rest but I've got 3 Audigy 2 ZS's of ebay all work fine.
Audigy1,2,ZS all work fine in Win98 as alternatives if your not aiming for a specific year.
I'm pretty sure the Audigy 4 also works fine but cant confirm this

Reply 6 of 7, by SirNickity

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Eh, it's more about the evolutionary collection really.

I owned everything from the SB Pro up through the Live back in the day, and really took advantage of what the hardware did that made it unique. I had that mentality that every component should be specifically curated as best-of-breed and with purpose. But around the P4 era, everything was built-in to the motherboard and really good enough, so I got lazy. SoundFonts weren't crucial anymore since MIDI disappeared from consumer consciousness and back into its niche in the music industry (where soft-synths were more than adequate, and I had moved on to pro audio hardware for I/O.) I guess I'm mostly curious about how EAX evolved, although I don't really know how much that mattered in the mid-to-late 2000s, or what else there might be. Hence the acquisition. 😀

It also happens that Creative released a new generation of sound cards at about the same rate that Intel introduced new platforms, so I outfit my series of x86 boxes (386 to Core i) with a representative from the Sound Blaster line from that era. The Audigy 2 ZS is on my list as well for EAX 4 - and that'll cover the Core 2.

I'm a little torn on whether X-Fi is relevant at all, though. I haven't had discrete audio in a while -- do any modern game engines even bother with hardware-exclusive features, or are positioning and environmental effects now entirely software-rendered?

Reply 7 of 7, by doaks80

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SirNickity wrote:

I'm a little torn on whether X-Fi is relevant at all, though.

For today's PCs? No. For a mid-2000s Core 2 Duo period correct build...absolutely. A X-Fi Titanium is exactly what I use. One thing it does the Audigy2 don't is TOSLINK output on the card itself if that is relevant to you. Also has rock solid WinXP drivers.

k6-3+ 400 / s3 virge DX+voodoo1 / awe32(32mb)
via c3 866 / s3 savage4+voodoo2 sli / audigy1+awe64(8mb)
athlon xp 3200+ / voodoo5 5500 / diamond mx300
pentium4 3400 / geforce fx5950U / audigy2 ZS
core2duo E8500 / radeon HD5850 / x-fi titanium