BloodyCactus wrote:I don't know about you, but Vampires are more authentic than UAE, and just as much an Amiga than the Draco systems are.
What makes you think its more 'authentic'? both are just written in software, compiled to binary and executed on a host controller.
Neither of them is an Amiga.
I don't think you actually know what FPGA is. FPGA is a chip, in were you re-arrange the internals, in order to recreate or create a chip, cpu or anything like that. Basically it is a chip were you "program" the hardware level, instead of making the actual chip it self. As an example, then it is used by corporations to make test versions of what will be the finished hardware. It is hardware creation, not software. And FAR, FAR from emulation. That is a completely different aproach. Look at it like the difference between virtalization and real hardware.
BloodyCactus wrote:
MorphOS are not real Amiga eighter. It is an AmigaOS-like operating system. Calling MorphOS for AmigaOS is like calling Linux a Unix system.
🤣. Your correct, Linux it not "genuine Unix(tm)". You've defeated your own argument. What is vampire? Not an Amiga!
Linux is NOT Unix. They look the same on the surface, yet they are NOT. They are two different way different kernals. The Vampire IS an Amiga. Just because it was not made by Commodore, does not make it lesser of an Amiga. Remember. The AmigaONE is still an Amiga. By this path and line of thought you have, then anything NOT made by IBM, is NOT a "PC"? (just to use a way different platform as an example) Is that how simple you think? I bet it is not, yet that is how you put it.
BloodyCactus wrote:
EDIT:
And what about AmigaONE-x500, AmigaONE-x1000, AmigaONE-500, Sam460cr and Sam460ex... Are they not Amiga's?
Hell no they are not Amiga's. It really shows your ignorance to what an Amiga IS.
Yes they are. Modern Amiga has nothing to do with the hardware, and yes it does to an extend, as the x5000 motherboard have custom hardware on it. I will let that "ignorance" stand. Please look the hardware up. Modern Amiga is more about the Operating system than custom hardware. There are now talks about moving the Amiga to ARM.
BloodyCactus wrote:your an idiot. You cant ignore half of what makes an Amiga, an Amiga (its custom hardware) and say, oh that does not count. Ami […]
Show full quote
If it is designed to run AmigaOS, then it is an Amiga, never mind the OCS, ECS and AGA chipset's. The Amiga have moved on.
your an idiot. You cant ignore half of what makes an Amiga, an Amiga (its custom hardware) and say, oh that does not count. Amiga is its custom hardware and its OS, released by Commodore. If parts of those are missing, its not an Amiga.
Phoenix, GBA1000, Alice+, they are Amigas, just not "genuine Amiga" since not released by Commodore but all commodore hardware inside. They are clones. (Phoenix had permission from Commodore and bought CSG chips directly from them).
Whats not Amiga? Minimig, FPGArcade, Mist/Mister, Vampire V4, mac mini g4 running morphos, aros on raspberry pi, WarpOS, AmigaDE, OS4.0+4.1 are not real AmigaOS etc.
And you are the one that decides this? Again. Please dive into what is based on what. I can only repeat my self again. FPGA and emulation are two way different technologies. First up. MorphOS looks like AmigaOS. Under the hood, it is NOT AmigaOS.
- RaspberryPI:
Amiga hardware are emulated, in order to run AmigaOS (emulation)
- MiniMIG:
I have not really dived into that, so I can not comment.
- Vampire V2 and V4:
They are recreation of the OCS, ECS and AGA chipset's. A V2 will take over nearly all the machine, and the V2 with AGA core, running on a 2000. will make you run it as if it was a genuine CD32 or 1200. Because the AGA chipset have been recreated on a hardware level, using FPGA technology.
- Aros:
That is like Haiku and MorphOS. A completely different Operating system, than what they are supposed to look like. Aros are binary compatible with some AmigaOS software. Yet it is made from scratch, just like Haiku, and are in no way near the real deal. The source code for AmigaOS are an extremely closed code. And it is extremely well guarded. Just ask anyone that have anything to do, with the source code of AmigaOS.
BloodyCactus wrote:
You cant ignore half of what makes an Amiga, an Amiga (its custom hardware) and say, oh that does not count. Amiga is its custom hardware and its OS, released by Commodore. If parts of those are missing, its not an Amiga.
Let me address this specifically....
It is true that Commodore released some if not most of the classic Amiga's. I say "classic" because it is the original platform. Though it is not that simple to just say "Released by Commodore". Well. You can read it as they rebadged something, that they did not create, and that is true about OCS. And to some extend the ECS. Not the AGA. Well... The AGA is based on the former chipsets, and are to an extend compatible.
As you might or might not know (I have no clue as to how much you read), then Commodore bought out the original Amiga right before Atari's nose. They in other words aquired the Amiga and OCS chipset. That makes Commodore NOT the inventor of the Amiga OCS Chipset. I say OCS, because back then, there were only Amiga chipset, because, well, it was what there were. (Hence Original Chip Set)
Jay Miner, the inventor of the Amiga (and all his staff), got to work for Commodore and he continued working on the Ranger chipset. This is so not ECS chipset. So by your logic, the ECS and AGA chipset is not even a real Amiga. Because Jay Miner did not make them. Or did he? Because you know, the ECS is mostly based on the OCS and the AGA is loosly based on the OCS and ECS chipset's So is the Ranger not a more true Amiga? I think it is the same as with the Hombre chipset. Something that Dave Haynie worked on right up to the day when Commodore closed down. He even worked on the AAA chipset. Yet they are not Amiga's by your logic. Because Commodore did not release them.
This brings me down to. What is an Amiga? To most people, it is not specific hardware and specific software going hand in hand. And to some extend it is. It is what you can natively run the AmigaOS on. Vampire, Draco, AmigaONE and so forth. They ARE real Amiga's. Saying that it is only the computers released by Commodore that are Amiga's, is like saying that the Escom a1200 and a4000 are not Amiga's. Because, they had the AGA chipset's, yet not released by Commodore.
So they can not be Amiga's, can they. Not released by Commodore!
I might not be the brightest programmer, but I am not an idiot.