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GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-5-11 @ 11:01

This test is work in progress since 2012. And as the methodology is perhaps too wide and time consuming (10+ hours to test one card)... it is time to reconsider my goals with this project. To be honest I believe not many people are willing to read long article similar to this http://hw-museum.cz/article/2/benchmark ... edition-/1 But in this case it would be even larger - around twice as many numbers. :dead: Of course now I have tools to make nice interactive chars even with frame-times detailed information and such...

Well maybe one day I will write the article, but not anytime soon. Today video presentations are getting more and more popular... so I developed an application to create the GPU Duels. It is more suitable for my pci-e GPUs benchmarking project, but it should work here as well. Here is how such GPU Duel looks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRQzPmFBnNE

Unfortunately in this case I won't be able to measure power consumption - I have only one PSU that provides this information, the Corsair RM1000i... which is located in the pci-e test rig and will remain there. Also I'm not sure how MSI Afterburner will work on GPUs like GeForce 4, Radeon 9000 series and such. Everything except fps and frametimes is measured by AB. Well, even if only fps and frametimes would remain, I think it is still nice and quite unique. Not many people bench old HW with frametimes analysis.

The test system:

Pentium E5700 @ 3733 MHz (14*266)
AsRock 4coreDualSata2
2GB DDR2 533 MHz CL4-4-4-12 CR1
Adaptec 2940UW + 80 GB SCSI HDD
Win XP SP3


And the list of possible combinations. These are just a quick suggestion.
Feel free to propose some more if you like. I have almost every GPU of this time frame, take a look at my website - what is there, I can bench. With one exception - Matrox Parhelia. That one should be here somewhere but I haven't seen it in years. :lol:

R9700 Pro vs FX 5800 Ultra
R9800 XT vs GF 6600
R8500 vs GF3 TI500
R7500 vs GF2 Ultra
GF4 Ti4600 vs Chrome S25
GF4 Ti4600 vs GF 6200
V4 4500 vs GF 256 SDR
V5 5500 vs GF2 GTS
GF4 Ti4600 vs FX 5800 Ultra
Radeon DDR vs GF2 GTS
R9700 Pro vs GF4 Ti4600
GF4 Ti 4200 vs GF3 Ti500
GF2 MX vs Radeon SDR
R8500 LE vs GF4 MX 460
R9000 Pro vs FX 5200
R9000 Pro vs R9500
GF 6200 Unlock vs GF 6600
R9800 XT vs X700 Pro
GF 6800 vs X850 Pro
GF 6800 Ultra vs X800 XT PE
FX 5600 vs R9500
GF 6800 vs GF 6800 GS OC
X1800 XL vs GF 7800 GT
GF 6800 Ultra vs GF 7800 GT
X1300 Pro vs GF 6600
X1300 Pro vs X1600 XT
GF 6800 vs X1600 XT
GF 6800 Ultra vs FX 5800 Ultra
R9800 XT vs X800 XT PE
GF4 Ti 4200 vs GF FX 5900 XT
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby Garrett W » 2019-5-11 @ 12:35

Took a look at the GPU Duel video, I have to say it is astonishing work! If you manage to pull this off or something similar with DX7-8 cards, it will be spectacular! It's no Parhelia 256, but I have a Matrox P650 which is essentially a Parhelia cut in half AFAIR, which I can donate to the cause if you want. Perhaps it'd be interesting to compare against GF2MX or something.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-5-12 @ 09:37

I think I have P650. It is rather slow, but GF2 MX could be a good match for it. :happy:
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-5-12 @ 20:21

Ok, the first video - Radeon X1300 Pro vs S3 Chrome S25.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnVyFbzpFBo
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby Garrett W » 2019-5-12 @ 22:40

What a stutter-fest that S3 card is! It looks okay initially, but then it all falls apart!
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby swaaye » 2019-5-13 @ 02:35

Awesome work havli! I've hoped to see frame time analysis of older cards.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby Arctic » 2019-5-13 @ 09:06

Which driver did you use for the S25? @havli
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-5-13 @ 15:59

Yeah, stuttering is really strong here. And while Fraps frametimes measuring may not be completely accurate, in this case it matches the actual smoothness well. Also in real-time the stuttering is much worse than on the video, which is strange as it is 60 fps capture, so everything should be there.

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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby SPBHM » 2019-5-15 @ 05:30

I noticed the Chrome was close in Doom 3, and not so much in the other two, I wonder if it's because of MSAA4x or it's just that much slower overall.
in any case, it's not looking too bad for such uncommon/unsuccessful card, well, in Doom 3
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-5-15 @ 13:54

I didn't use MSAA, that is only Anisotropic Filtering, which shouldn't be too performance demanding.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby appiah4 » 2019-5-15 @ 14:19

How about a Radeon 7500 vs GeForce 2 Ti battle instead? The 7500 is a refreshed Radeon DDR, the GF2 Ti is a refreshed GF2, both are released as companion cards to 8500/GF3 DX8 cards which got all the attention and comparisons.. Radeon 7500 was a GREAT card at the time that got way too overlooked.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-5-15 @ 17:18

I can do that, no problem. There is not much difference between GF2U and GF2Ti, just the 15% higher memory clock for the Ultra. Will be interesting to see how R7500 can perform.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby SPBHM » 2019-5-15 @ 19:07

havli wrote:I didn't use MSAA, that is only Anisotropic Filtering, which shouldn't be too performance demanding.


right, not sure how I read it wrong :dead:

in any case, with the x1k I think AF is almost free, I have no clue if it's the same with the Chrome, with older cards like Geforce FX AF was expensive.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-5-15 @ 19:41

I don't have the exact numbers for X1300 Pro, but X1600 XT could be similar enough. In Call of Duty (OGL) AF performance hit is very similar for both S25 and X1600. In Far Cry (DX8) S25 loses more performance. AA on S3 doesn't work at all when running OGL and with D3D the performance hit is massive. But in the video only AF 4x is used.

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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-6-15 @ 21:13

Next one is online, this time Radeon 9800 XT vs GeFroce 6600.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oHcXmNeWmQ
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby Garrett W » 2019-6-15 @ 23:43

Wow, that's interesting, wonder how much far ahead the 6600 GT is, I was lead to believe for years that the GT variant was actually quite competitive with 9800 Pro cards.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby SPBHM » 2019-6-16 @ 03:09

Garrett W wrote:Wow, that's interesting, wonder how much far ahead the 6600 GT is, I was lead to believe for years that the GT variant was actually quite competitive with 9800 Pro cards.


the difference between this 6600 and a 6600gt is actually huge, 300 vs 500MHz core, 550 vs 1000Mhz ram
if you look at the specs you could assume this 6600 is a better match for a 9600XT actually (well it should be a little better than that, but..)

but yes, the 6600 had no hope in this one, still I kind of expected it to be a tiny bit better on D3 but oh well, the 9800XT was a beast for its time, no doubt, as for the 6600 at least the power usage looks good!
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby Garrett W » 2019-6-16 @ 07:30

Oh crap, I had forgotten that. I thought the only difference between non GT and GT was GDDR3 on the GT part which meant immensely increased memory bandwidth. I had completely forgotten that the 6600GT ran at 500MHz.
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-6-16 @ 09:25

Yeah, probably 6600 GT would be better match, or 6800 LE. Maybe next time. :happy:
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Re: GPU Duels of 2000 - 2005 Video Cards

Postby havli » 2019-6-29 @ 19:49

It is time to go more old school :lol:

Voodoo4 4500 AGP vs GeForce 256 SDR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8SqUYMNtdE

With some effort V4 4500 could have been ready at the end of 1999 (there are fully working prototypes with final clocks and PCB design). However the performance would be too low to counter GF 256... so probably for that reason the first VSA-100 card was the V5 5500 introduced 6 months later.
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