VOGONS


First post, by kalm_traveler

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Hi guys, just looking for some suggestions as far as which AGP Quadro card would make sense for this rig given the purpose is as a pre-Windows Xp box.

I'm finally getting around to recapping and frankensteining a nice high-end Enermax PSU I bought mid summer so that this Tyan S230T dual socket370 board can be used with the pair of 1.4ghz Tualatin chips I picked up for it earlier.

Anyway, I have a Quadro 4000 SDI AGP in there currently with an aftermarket Zalman cooler (mainly to keep it quiet) which unfortunately means that the immediate lower PCI slot is unusable, which is making me rethink things. I'm probably fine with leaving it as is since it is already overkill for Windows 98SE and Win2k which the machine will be running.

Other options I thought of would be the best Quadro from the same year as the 1.4ghz Tualatin which seems to be the Quadro4 FX 900 XGL (best AGP4x Quadro I believe - similar to a GeForce 4 Ti 4600?)
or best single-slot Quadro I can find seems to be an FX1100 although this is a 2004 card I believe (not that this is a problem in itself).
I also already have a Quadro 2 Pro which I had bought to pair with a PIII 1ghz chip earlier on in the retro parts acquisition phase but this seems undesirable since it's much much weaker than 2002-2004 cards and MUCH weaker than the Quadro 4000 SDI I already have as well.

Basically I'm just wondering if there's a 'better' Quadro to use with this rig that can be used in a way where it won't block the 1st PCI slot but still be quiet. With the stock cooling on this existing Quadro 4000 SDI it sounds like a hair dryer though the mounting bracket could be cut to 1 slot since I removed the SDI card from the top to install the larger Zalman VGA cooler.

The only reason I'm even thinking about this is that sacrificing that top PCI slot means that I will not be able to install the 1gb ethernet NIC, thus forced to use a USB 2.0 ethernet adapter whenever networking is desired (again not sure this will even really matter).

What do you guys think?

Retro: Win2k/98SE - P3 1.13ghz, 512mb PC133 SDRAM, Quadro4 980XGL, Aureal Vortex 2
modern:i9 10980XE, 64gb DDR4, 2x Titan RTX | i9 9900KS, 32gb DDR4, RTX 2080 Ti | '19 Razer Blade Pro

Reply 1 of 6, by AngieAndretti

User metadata
Rank Newbie
Rank
Newbie

I've dealt with a similar predicament. I think you hit the nail right on the head with the Quadro4 FX 9xx. That's the strongest single-slot Quadro card that comes to mind, although given the photos I'm seeing I'm doubtful there'd be any clearance for actual airflow into the card's fan if you needed to occupy the immediately adjacent PCI slot. I'm running a Quadro2 Pro with the adjacent PCI slot occupied, but anything with a thicker cooling system than that could become a real issue. I feel like a GeForce FX 5500 is probably the highest-end nVidia card I've seen using that same slim cooling solution where you can get away with installing another card right next to it.

Myself, I used to run a Quadro FX 3000 (i.e. GeForce FX 5900) in my 1.4GHz Tualatin rig - and it did really well but it's a dual-slot card. I think if it were me I'd do the USB networking option but it all comes down to which one is more important to you - the stronger GPU or the PCI ethernet card.

Reply 2 of 6, by feipoa

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

I have three dual Tualatin systems (though I am consider sacrificing one for a slot A 1 ghz build), and for those systems with AGP slots, I am using a Quadro FX 3000 and a ti4400. The system without AGP uses an FX600. I’m using usb 2.0, scsi ultra320’ and gigabit Ethernet. I’m wondering why you are short a PCI slot...

Plan your life wisely, you'll be dead before you know it.

Reply 3 of 6, by kalm_traveler

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
feipoa wrote:

I have three dual Tualatin systems (though I am consider sacrificing one for a slot A 1 ghz build), and for those systems with AGP slots, I am using a Quadro FX 3000 and a ti4400. The system without AGP uses an FX600. I’m using usb 2.0, scsi ultra320’ and gigabit Ethernet. I’m wondering why you are short a PCI slot...

Because I'm crazy and want the front USB 3.0 ports connected to a 3.0 controller. I found a pci-e 1x USB 3.0 card with Win2k drivers that works through a particular pci-e to PCI adapter.

The mb is a Tyan S2507T which has an AGP 4x slot, and 5 PCI slots.

I want:

Best video card
Sound card
USB 2.0 card
USB 3.0 card
Ethernet card (lowest priority since it wouldn't be used much and can be addressed with a USB Ethernet adapter when necessary).

I think @AngieAndretti is probably on the same thought as me... Just stick with what I have and forego the Ethernet card.

Retro: Win2k/98SE - P3 1.13ghz, 512mb PC133 SDRAM, Quadro4 980XGL, Aureal Vortex 2
modern:i9 10980XE, 64gb DDR4, 2x Titan RTX | i9 9900KS, 32gb DDR4, RTX 2080 Ti | '19 Razer Blade Pro

Reply 4 of 6, by feipoa

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Oh, its a VIA Apollo Pro 133T board... I much prefer the Apollo Pro 266T and ServerWorks HE-SL.

Isn't USB 3.0 supposed to be backward compatibile with 2.0? I'd hate to hate to have a USB-to-Ethernet dongle in the back, especially for moving cases in and out of the closet. I'd ditch the USB 2.0 or 3.0 card if there isn't space. You could also swap motherboards. Those based on the HE-SL usually have 6 PCI slots and multiple PCI buses.

You have listed 4 PCI cards. AGP card that consumes a PCI slot, should leave you with 4 PCI slots. I'm confused.

Plan your life wisely, you'll be dead before you know it.

Reply 5 of 6, by kalm_traveler

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member
feipoa wrote:

Oh, its a VIA Apollo Pro 133T board... I much prefer the Apollo Pro 266T and ServerWorks HE-SL.

Isn't USB 3.0 supposed to be backward compatibile with 2.0? I'd hate to hate to have a USB-to-Ethernet dongle in the back, especially for moving cases in and out of the closet. I'd ditch the USB 2.0 or 3.0 card if there isn't space. You could also swap motherboards. Those based on the HE-SL usually have 6 PCI slots and multiple PCI buses.

You have listed 4 PCI cards. AGP card that consumes a PCI slot, should leave you with 4 PCI slots. I'm confused.

ah you're right, also have a PCI SATA card for the SSD

I'm not too worried about plugging things in as I have a little IKEA desk setup just for this rig (picked up a new Acer 1920 x 1200 75Hz display for it).

What do you like about the 266T motherboards? I haven't studied too much other than reading about boards that support Tualatin chips, more than 512mb RAM, AGP, and no ISA slots (don't have any use for them and would rather have all PCI).

Retro: Win2k/98SE - P3 1.13ghz, 512mb PC133 SDRAM, Quadro4 980XGL, Aureal Vortex 2
modern:i9 10980XE, 64gb DDR4, 2x Titan RTX | i9 9900KS, 32gb DDR4, RTX 2080 Ti | '19 Razer Blade Pro

Reply 6 of 6, by feipoa

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++
  • The 266T has a 266 MB/s "v-link bus" between the north and south bridge chipsets, whereas the 133T has 133 MB/s.
    Supports up to 4 GB ECC registered DDR memory (or some boards still have the conventional SDR)
    AGP 4x
    Native Tualatin CPU support
    Some boards have onboard Promise IDE RAID
    But most of all, I found it substantially more stable than the Apollo Pro 133T. I used both as main computers for multiple years.

ServerWorks HE-SL boards tend to be limited to AGP Pro 2x slots. They have the benefit of dual channel PC133 SDR, which is faster than DDR on these systems. HE-SL also comes with an ISA slot option, but most don't have it. Some HE-SL boards have native Tualatin support, some need the Korean adapter. HE-SL supports multiple PCI buses as well as PCI-X.

Plan your life wisely, you'll be dead before you know it.