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First post, by xjas

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Thought I'd do a quick thread about this system since I get a ton of mileage out of it. It's a pretty unassuming little box, but I'm proud of it because of how good it ended up being, and the ludicrously cheap amount I've managed to build it for. I've just done a couple upgrades, so I figured it's a good time to show it off. Without further ado:

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I got this little Optiplex 7010 tower about a year ago from a lab that were selling off old equipment for, no BS, $30. It came without RAM or HDDs, but fortunately the original CPU was still present - that being an i7 3770, a mighty capable part for when this was new in ~2015 and no slouch even today.

I quickly found 8GB of G-Skill Ripjaws-X DDR3 1866 for $20 on a local classifieds from someone who was upgrading to a DDR4 system. I dropped in the 500GB HDD + Zotac GTX 750Ti in from my older Q9300 gaming rig, which this replaced. I then added a second HDD I had lying around, and swapped the stock Dell PSU for a Cooler Master 750W one.

The plastic pull-out HDD caddies were missing, so I grabbed two on Ebay for $6 shipped (and later found a 3rd one from a local computer shop for free, so I have a spare if one breaks.) The 750Ti came from a garage sale for IIRC $50, back around when the GTX 1080s had just come out.

So that leaves us with the recent updates. I had a $50 Ebay coupon that I spent on this:

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Yep, 16GB of more of the same G-Skill memory. I ended up paying $75 total, which was already a deal in my book, but that coupon was a free bonus from selling things, so I'm counting this as $25 since you can't eat Ebay coupons.

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That's 24GB of loveliness right there. It still blows my mind that you can have this much RAM in a consumer PC. And yes, I deliberately bought the blue stuff for visual contrast against the red modules that were already in there.

(The speeds are mismatched - the blue 8GB modules are 1600 and the red 4GB ones are 1866 - but AFAIK this system only supports 1600 anyway and there's no way to tweak the memory speed or timings, so it'll be fine. You can get either colour at any speed, these are just what was available on the day I went looking.)

Also, a 1TB HDD for inline backups of the other two drives. I found it in the cheap bin at my local FreeGeek and snapped that right up, since you guys know I only buy the best.

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(FreeGeek put drives that pass SMART but have high run hours out in the cheap bin, so it's actually fine. WD Black are enterprise drives made for a long service life.)

The only place left for this drive was in the 5.25" bay under the DVD, so I mounted it in this random caddy from my junk pile:

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Reply 1 of 5, by xjas

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Here's the new RAM in place, and looking positively dashing:

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...Also, all four SATA slots filled! I love a maxed-out system.

It turned out I had an unused G-Skill sticker in my pile of stuff. No idea where it came from, but why not:

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All the guts with everything installed. Unfortuntely this isn't a particularly big system, and with the four drives & oversized power supply in there it's pretty much maxed out. This means cable management isn't gonna happen.

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...but it's still pretty open aside from that rat's nest right up at the front, which isn't blocking anything, so I'm not particularly upset about it.

The only thing I don't like is how close my Datapath VisionRGB capture card sits next to the dual-slot GTX 750Ti. There's about 6mm clearance between the two at the worst choke point. There's only one "old" PCI slot available, and this is where it is, so I don't have any other choice. However, SOME of the fan shroud is a little thinner and the 750 isn't a very hot-running card in general, so it's not as bad as it could be.

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The Zotac 750Ti is a really nice, compact, QUIET card that doesn't take any external power. It's powerful enough for my purposes, and combined with the quiet PSU fan & CPU cooler, this thing is nearly silent when it's running. Even the HDDs don't make any audible noise when they're not actively seeking. Compared to my 771 Xeon workstation, which is only a couple generations older but sounds a bit like a vacuum cleaner, the comparative silence is a joy.

Normally the little Optiplex lives here, under my desk, on my KVM with everything else:

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Amusingly, the K6-2 next to it has less TOTAL memory (20GB HDD + 512MB RAM + ~2MB cache + 16MB VRAM) than the Optiplex now has RAM, and the 386 on the left has less total memory (256MB CF + 8MB RAM + 1MB VRAM) than the K6-2's RAM. Funny how that works out.

(BTW all my "big" towers or desktops are named after planets. The K6-2 is "Mars", and the 386 is "Mercury.")

So, how much have I spent on this thing? Well:

Optiplex 7010 w/i7 3770 (4c/8t, 3.4~3.9 GHz) - $30
RAM: 24GB G-Skill Ripjaws-X - $20 (initial 8GB) + $25 (extra 16GB)
PSU: CoolerMaster 750W - $0, found in the bin
HDDs: 2TB total - $10 (1TB) + essentially $0 for the two 500s (salvaged from old systems)
GPU: Zotac GTX 750Ti 2GB - $50
Extra HDD caddies: $6

...or $141(ish) in total. Note that those dollars are worth ~30% less than the more commonly quoted dollars you see used in online discussions. (This is the first time I've added it up, incidentally.) Not bad for a little powerhouse that runs circles around anything else I have. At the rate I upgrade, I'll probably keep it until 2030.

That's it for now! Benchmarks & stats screens tomorrow. 😉

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Reply 2 of 5, by Warlord

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This is like Junkyard wars from linus tech tips. I bet if you put a gtx980, 1060 or something better than a 750 it could play current games on medium settings and get playable FPS.

I haven't upgraded from my X38 chipset Quad core duo since I made it around 10 years ago. Next system I make I will just go for Threadripper and be one and done with computers. That system will probably last me till i'm dead.

I don't particularly find your PC that interesting though becasue it is too new and already obsolete.

Reply 3 of 5, by xjas

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Warlord wrote:

This is like Junkyard wars from linus tech tips. I bet if you put a gtx980, 1060 or something better than a 750 it could play current games on medium settings and get playable FPS.

It can already play current games on high settings and get playable FPS.

(* at 1600x1200, not "4K," which is useless anyway. And maybe not the super-high-end AAA titles you're thinking of...)

This is absolutely a Scrapyard Wars build, and I love it for that. It's whatever I could find for the lowest price I could get it, slammed together into something decent. If I were to upgrade the GPU, I'd probably go for a 1050Ti (or an Rx 550~560) as I really like the short form factor & low heat output. But only if one popped up locally for super cheap, naturally.

Warlord wrote:

I don't particularly find your PC that interesting though...

Not sure why you felt you needed to reply to say so in that case, but OK.

I honestly can't think of how anyone would consider this kind of hardware "obsolete" - it runs everything modern I could possibly want it to, including video editing and music production software, and in most cases it's powerful enough to have lots of headroom. I seriously doubt the 'average' user would notice much difference between this and the latest & greatest on a normal workload (i.e. not benchmarking or 'triple-A' gaming.) Sure, I'd love a few extra cores, but I still haven't run into a situation where I can definitely say I needed them. The new Ryzen stuff is mighty good looking, but as it is, a platform upgrade simply would not make my life better in any way.

IMHO, we'd all be significantly better off if people kept things until they stopped being useful to them, instead of replacing them when certain big companies tell them it's time to...

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Reply 4 of 5, by PCBONEZ

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xjas wrote:

I honestly can't think of how anyone would consider this kind of hardware "obsolete" - it runs everything modern I could possibly want it to, including video editing and music production software, and in most cases it's powerful enough to have lots of headroom. I seriously doubt the 'average' user would notice much difference between this and the latest & greatest on a normal workload (i.e. not benchmarking or 'triple-A' gaming.) Sure, I'd love a few extra cores, but I still haven't run into a situation where I can definitely say I needed them. The new Ryzen stuff is mighty good looking, but as it is, a platform upgrade simply would not make my life better in any way.

IMHO, we'd all be significantly better off if people kept things until they stopped being useful to them, instead of replacing them when certain big companies tell them it's time to...

I agree with you. IMHO Sandy/Ivy is a sweet spot for cost vs usability.
I started with a 9010 then switched to T1650's which are effectively the same except they optionally take Xeons and ECC RAM.
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An X38 is 'old enough' to be interesting?
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Reply 5 of 5, by flupke11

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Can't agree more, my daily for the past 7 years has been a 3770K. I have found no reason to demote this system, it is still more than adequately fast for all my uses and intentions. It has received an upgrade to a 2TB SSD and a 5700XT GPU, and slightly OC'ed to 4,2 GHz it runs my games at 4K without issues. I aim to use it until 2022.

This system will be one of those that I will remember most fondly, like my AMD DX40 from 1995 and my P4T533R from 2002. Systems that live with you through the years, tend to stick in the mind. If I ever get rid of this system, I will probably buy it back in 2035 for nostalgia's sake. That's the main thing here, not whether a system is obsolete or not.